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Q1: Why is the article named Rwandan genocide and not Genocide against the Tutsi?

A1: Because the Google Ngram viewer, which searches for the popularity of terms across all indexed English books, currently has Rwandan genocide as the common name. Wikipedia generally prefers the common name since we prioritize people finding the article.
In addition, there have also been multiple RFCs, seen in the archives above, that have affirmed this article's current title.

Rwandan genocide was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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A request has been made for this article to be peer reviewed to receive a broader perspective on how it may be improved. Please make any edits you see fit to improve the quality of this article.

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

RM, Rwandan Genocide → Rwandan genocide, moved, 3 April 2016, discussion
RM, Rwandan genocide → Genocide against the Tutsi, not moved, 9 April 2022, discussion

This article has been mentioned by a media organization:

Shallon Mwiza (August 2, 2024). "How accurate is information about Rwanda on open-source platforms?". The New Times. Retrieved October 15, 2024. "Rwanda's history, especially the 1994 Genocide, is a sensitive and complex topic. Wikipedia's open-edit model allows valuable contributions but also risks biased accounts and denialism." ... Ndahiro explained.

France troops abuse and rape accusations.

When looking at the "International involvement" section and the "France and operation Turquoise" subsection, there is no mention of the multiple accusations of abuse and rape perpetrated by the French troops against the Rwandan women who had sought refuge in their bases during the African country's 1994 genocide. Source:https://www.reuters.com/article/world/french-troops-raped-us-rwanda-genocide-survivors-idUSWAL260106/ Ivalince (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

very good article, well laid out

wish, more articles took event chronology, and different factions, views etc, into account, and clearly titled, as this. 12.146.12.12 (talk) 04:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review open - in case you missed it

In case you missed the template on mobile, I've made a request for peer review here.

For everyone's convenience, please direct all suggestions for improvements to the linked thread until the peer review process is done.⸺(Random)staplers 04:42, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is population density responsible for the genocide ?

"At 408 inhabitants per square kilometre (1,060/sq mi), Rwanda's population density is among the highest in Africa. Rwanda's population had increased from 1.6 million people in 1934 to 7.1 million in 1989, leading to competition for land. Historians such as Gérard Prunier believe that the 1994 genocide can be partly attributed to population density."

This entire paragraph should be struck in my opinion. It's very clear, that the cause of these events are the decades of ethnic tensions driven by colonial rule, as the article lays out before hand. This attribution of the genocide to population density -even if it hedges as partial- contains no evidence, or logic. People around the world live in higher and lower population density, with no correlation to how often they massacre each other. The conclusion the uncritical reader is pushed towards is quite sinister- "Africans can't live in close proximity without killing eachother" Gucci gucci01 (talk) 21:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gucci gucci01 - I'll make a note to read The Rwanda Crisis: History of a Genocide.

But you're going to have to follow the instructions on WP:Edit requests (and preferably, if you haven't already, read the book to verify the source) before your edit request can go through.——Randomstapler's alt 22:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

- Gucci gucci01 (talk) 21:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: See the above comment. You're going to have to be more specific for an edit request.——Randomstapler's alt 22:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

External videos

I find the placement of the Coming To Terms With The Rwandan Genocide video (with a big YouTube logo) to be a little odd. Does anyone object to me moving the box to Media and popular culture? Bitspectator ⛩️ 17:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved it. Bitspectator ⛩️ 21:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bitspectator The placement of external videos are there because of the length of the article, and they come from primary sources, as well as snippets of audio from radio broadcasts. I don't think they should be moved. ——Randomstapler's alt 00:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's really the "via YouTube" which I find tonally jarring with the genocide infobox. I'll remove that while keeping the location the same. But if you revert again I won't object and will leave it as it. Bitspectator ⛩️ 01:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's fine.——Randomstapler's alt 01:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The image is kind of odd.... in the latest GA article I did it was recommended that a generic link would be more neutral see Canadian peacekeeping. Moxy🍁 01:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bold edits needed

These academic analyses on Rwanda and its history are dense. Any bold attempt to go through this linked FAQ, and read through these otherwise unseen references, with bold edits, to help ensure WP:NPOV would be appreciated.

This request is not limited to this protected article! If you are a new user, we'd appreciate you editing Rwandese National Union and Ruanda-Urundi, which new users can edit right now. The sources listed in the above linked FAQ can be used to improve those articles too.⸺(Random)staplers 05:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The title should be Tutsi Genocide or Genocide of the Rwandan Tutsis by the Hutu

"Rwandan Genocide" is like calling the Holocaust "European Genocide", it's genocide denial. Ptaah75 (talk) 10:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. M.Bitton (talk) 13:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2024

This edit request to Rwanda 1994 genocide against the Tusti has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Mut.Greg (talk) 12:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

Hello @Mut.Greg, Randomstaplers, Indy beetle, Wowzers122, and Applodion: I'm just starting a talk page discussion here to discuss the edits that have been on this article in the past couple of days. The edits by Mut.Greg include changing of the name to "genocide against the Tutsi" as well as changing the figures for death toll (such that they don't match the citations) and inserting other uncited material.

Note that they have also been making similar edits to the "Rwandan genocide" nomenclature at Paul Kagame and also changing the image used at that article. I don't think the edits to either of these articles have consensus and are borderline disruptive. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From Peer review and talk page: