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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
[edit]Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
[edit]- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history) |
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
[edit]You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
[edit]However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
[edit]Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
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Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
[edit]- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
[edit]STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
[edit]R&B
[edit]- Retarget to Contemporary R&B.
As said on talk page, absolutely barely any articles say "Contemporary R&B" when referring to "Contemporary R&B" they just say "R&B". Having this re-direct stops lots of frustration of people redirecting to the Rhythm and Blues genre when it is a Contemporary R&B song. Please see here on how Contemporary R&B is mentioned, it's the modern day now and Contemporary R&B has gained far more notability and is now the WP:COMMONNAME and look at most Contemporary R&B article you'll notice most publications simply wrote "R&B" when citing Contemporary R&B.Eg HotNewHipHop,Billboard,The Guardian.This0k (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)}
Criticism of Donald Trump
[edit]- Criticism of Donald Trump → Public image of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Cat:Criticism of Donald Trump as {{R to category namespace}}. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - we already have a mainspace article on the topic, we shouldn't retarget to a category - users won't expect this. As an aside, looking at other {{R to category namespace}} usages it seems to be full questionable redirects, like Political book BugGhost🦗👻 09:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with BugGhost that an XNR isn't useful here. But the target article doesn't really discuss criticism of Trump expect in passing. This seems like something we could plausibly create a broad concept article for, so I think a red link is preferable here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- keep or retarget to Category:Criticism of Donald Trump or to Donald Trump. The word criticism is mentioned multiple times there, though a specific section doesn't exist for it. The redirect should exist, in some way.
- --MikutoH talk! 03:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 15:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)- Delete, this is a new meaning, not mere synonym too when compared to "public image". Iljhgtn (talk) 00:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Category:Criticism of Donald Trump or to Donald Trump – Hate to see it delete just because the current target hardly mentions criticism. Either proposed target is better than deletion, IMO, but I would prefer the category as the target, especially for easier use and surfing. George Ho (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Recent
[edit]There is no evidence that a primary topic has been specified. Kolano123 (talk) 17:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep All of the incoming links appear to be using "Recent" in its geological definition (i.e., as a synonym for Holocene). I do think there is a point to be made about the geological definition not being the "primary topic," so to speak. But I'm hesitant to delete since the "primary" definition isn't getting wikilinked at the moment. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Appears to be used for convenience in a narrow set of articles. Thsi redirect is unlikely to cause the confusion (as we are unlikely to have an article about the word itself, which would be the primary meaning). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Викидим (talk • contribs) 22:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Lean delete, although I'm not unsympathetic to the cleanup that would require. Maybe someone could use AWB or a bot to automate the process, but I don't know if that's more trouble than it's worth. This seems to be used in a bunch of taxoboxes in a technical sense, but far more often, it's done better, with "Recent" as a piped link to Holocene instead of relying on the redirect (see e.g. Giraffe). I don't think it's appropriate to carve out a redirect for a technical sense of an everyday word to use like this. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- soft redirect to wikt:recent, where the holocene period is ironically not directly mentioned. would it be per nom?
- and yeah, maybe use the good ol' pipe links. there's surprisingly not that many incoming links in mainspace, so it'd be easy to deal with cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Let the search function do its job. Redirecting to Wiktionary would be both unhelpful and somewhat patronizing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 14:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Readers do not want to get sent to a dictionary entry about the vague concept of newness. If a reader is searching the term "recent", they are looking for an encyclopedic entry on geology. Ca talk to me! 03:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- "If a reader is searching the term "recent", they are looking for an encyclopedic entry on geology." That seems like a stretch to me. The only way that would make sense was if the person that went to this redirect got there from a forum post about geology. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- What other encyclopedic topic could the term "recent" refer to? Ca talk to me! 10:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- none that wouldn't stop being recent at some point, and that's the problem cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the event that the reader is looking for the use of "recent" in other fields, I would also support an unorthodox hatnote to the wiktionary entry. Ca talk to me! 14:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
What other encyclopedic topic could the term "recent" refer to?
. Maybe recency effect, recency bias, or recentism. We shouldn't be guessing, and even a dab page for something this vague is iffy. But the status quo isn't there for readers; it's a technical redirect used poorly in some taxoboxes, and it shouldn't remain like that. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- What other encyclopedic topic could the term "recent" refer to? Ca talk to me! 10:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- "If a reader is searching the term "recent", they are looking for an encyclopedic entry on geology." That seems like a stretch to me. The only way that would make sense was if the person that went to this redirect got there from a forum post about geology. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ and IP. This common word shouldn't have primary usage in Geology. Jay 💬 08:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Amateur home page
[edit]- Amateur Home Page → Home page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Amatuer home page → home page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.
Target contains no information about "Amateur" home pages specifically. Ca talk to me! 01:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: there's no material about this. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This redirect just reads like someone complaining about either our home page (which is like that for simplicity's sake) or someone else's home page (which we have no control over). Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- •Delete fail to see relevance of redirect. VolatileAnomaly (talk) 01:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Amateur home page created by the same author who created the uppercase version, and a few minutes prior. Both stubs were promptly converted to redirects. Jay 💬 09:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled with Amateur home page, and tagged the third redirect (Amatuer home page), which wasn't tagged by the nom.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Mian Page
[edit]Vanishingly few page views per month(21) for a page that gets millions of views every week. There are a lot of people named "Mian Page", and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this. Ca talk to me! 01:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible. KOLANO12 3 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No reason why this should even exist in the first place. ThatIPEditor They / Them 21:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- (comment: "and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this" I tested this now, it doesn't.)
- Weak delete Unlike what some others are saying, I can relatively plausibly see someone accidentally transposing the I and A keys together. However, this is literally the first page you see when you open up Wikipedia we're talking about here, so people manually going to the Main Page is irrelevant here. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a person can just type the right words in themselves. BarntToust 14:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, plausible type, and SOME pageviews show that it is being hit at all. No reason to delete therefore unless a newer or better target was recommended. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I clicked Special:RandomRedirect 10 times and this redirect is more used than 8 out of the 10. It's a complete no brainer. J947 ‡ edits 21:48, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did not understand your test. How did you get the "8 out of the 10" statistic? Jay 💬 09:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- By comparing pageviews in 2024 for those 10 redirects. I did it again: this redirect is more used than 9 out of 10 (being used as much as equally as Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn). Clearly it is well used! J947 ‡ edits 00:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't get it. Which 10 redirects? Can you describe your test in detail? What has Special:RandomRedirect got to do with the redirect under discussion? Jay 💬 08:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- They're 10 random redirects (that result from clicking Special:RandomRedirect, 10 times), unrelated to the one under discussion. The point is to combat the dangerous assertion that the number of pageviews that this redirect receives is in any way minimal. J947 ‡ edits 10:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't get it. Which 10 redirects? Can you describe your test in detail? What has Special:RandomRedirect got to do with the redirect under discussion? Jay 💬 08:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- By comparing pageviews in 2024 for those 10 redirects. I did it again: this redirect is more used than 9 out of 10 (being used as much as equally as Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn). Clearly it is well used! J947 ‡ edits 00:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did not understand your test. How did you get the "8 out of the 10" statistic? Jay 💬 09:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per J947. 21 page views per month is actually awfully good. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Haifan Baháʼí Faith
[edit]- Haifan Baháʼí Faith → Baháʼí Faith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
again, obscure, and where used, it is perjorative. Smkolins (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to wp:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Wikipedia_does_not_document_the_usage_of_neologisms.
- Delete this is an obscure term, unlikely to be useful, that does not show up in reliable sources, and should not be used as a redirect as it wouldn't meet NPOV. — penultimate_supper 🚀 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Haifan Baháʼí Faith
[edit]- Haifan Baháʼí Faith → Baháʼí Faith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
again, obscure, and where used, it is perjorative. Smkolins (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Haifan Baháʼís
[edit]- Haifan Baháʼís → Baháʼí Faith (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
obscure and where used, a pejorative use Smkolins (talk) 21:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete due to wp:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Wikipedia_does_not_document_the_usage_of_neologisms.
- Delete this is an obscure term, unlikely to be useful, that does not show up in reliable sources, and should not be used as a redirect as it wouldn't meet NPOV. — penultimate_supper 🚀 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
DEVS VVLT
[edit]I think this a rather implossable misspelling of this term. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Several hits for this on Google in both all-caps and mixed-case versions. It's a reference to Latin, which traditionally used the letter V in place of the letter U. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Ayurveda/Non-confirmed editor comments
[edit]Goth (Silverwing)
[edit]- Goth (Silverwing) → Kenneth Oppel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This no longer has a mention and the redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Silverwing (TV series) where the character is mentioned. Tevildo (talk) 20:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Nueva Hampshire
[edit]- Nueva Hampshire → New Hampshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dakota del Norte → North Dakota (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to be a fail of WP:RLANG, but I am not too confident. Weak Delete? -1ctinus📝🗨 23:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Half of the current U.S., including Dakotas, at some point were part of Spanish colonization of the Americas before Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. And given that USA doesn't have an official language and Spanish is the second most spoken, both redirects are justified. Web-julio (talk) 09:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete NH, keep ND as I don't see any strong ties between NH and Spanish languages. The area now in NH was not part of the Spanish colonization of the Americas so far as I can see, and only around 3% of the people in these states speak Spanish according to NH. However, ND was part of the Spanish colonization, and so has a tie to Spanish language. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both Neither meets WP:RLANG in my opinion. I'm unconviced by the mere fact that many people in the U.S. speak Spanish to justify keeping here. (Many people in the U.S. also speak French, for example, but neither Nouveau Hampshire nor Dakota du Nord exist). In regards to North Dakota's supposed affinity to Spanish, that's spurious at best. There was never a place known as "Dakota del Norte" under Spanish rule, which in this case would have been limited to the brief era of Spanish Louisiana. (Assuming you count claiming Indigenous land as "ruling" it). No sustained European settlement occurred in the region until well after the U.S. acquired the territory. Even then, Dakota Territory was one entity until 1889. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the target and creator pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Musha-gaeshi
[edit]- Musha-gaeshi → Castle#Construction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
curved walls, built to be "a little hard to climb". unmentioned in the target and wiktionary, though it does have some mentions in articles related to japanese castles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Japanese castle#Azuchi–Momoyama period where mentioned. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 02:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the proposed target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Save battery
[edit]- Save battery → ROM cartridge (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
i know what this means... but the article doesn't mention it in detail (only in passing as an image's caption), or anything to clarify that it doesn't mean methods of saving battery energy. not directly mentioned at volatile memory either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not about NVRAM backup battery, or CMOS clock backup battery, or battery saver apps, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It has a mention here (even if only in an image caption) and it has the potential to be discussed here in much more detail. I don't think CMOS clock backup batteries have ever been called "save" batteries, that should be pretty restricted to the domain of "saving your game" if I'm not mistaken. Theoretically, this could be searched for with the intent of finding methods of preserving battery life, but I think written this way (as opposed to the next RfD entry, below) it is much more clear that it refers to using a battery to enable saving your game in a ROM cartridge. Fieari (talk) 06:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. What it's ultimately getting at is more general than game cartridges. Any device with battery-backed volatile RAM would be covered by this, not just game carts. And even then, "save battery" is kind of vague and could refer to other things anyway. And as per nom, there's no significant discussion at the target anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
polypifer
[edit]- Polypifer → Coral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Poypifer → Coral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
refers to organisms formed from polyps, including but not limited to coral. suggest retargeting there. no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Ra'ad 1
[edit]- Ra'ad 1 → RAAD (anti-tank guided missile) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The more I research this redirect, the more confused I get. For starters, this redirect formerly targeted the article that is currently at Fajr-3 (artillery rocket), and did for the past six years. However, before that, this redirect targeted the article which it currently targets. However, to throw some more confusion into the mix, another similarly-titled article, Raad-1, exists. I may have figured out a better plan for what to do with this redirect by now if it were not for its incoming links; I am not clear what subject these links are meant to refer to. I'm thinking disambiguate is the way to go here, but I'm incredibly unclear what the base title should be for such a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment both RAAD (anti-tank guided missile) and Raad-1 say they mean Thunder and Thunder-1. ; while Fajr-3 (artillery rocket) seems to mean Aurora-3 or Dawn-3 ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 22:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)Since this discussion isn't really getting any comments, I might as well throw my two cents in and say weak delete. Raad already exists as a disambiguation and there really isn't any suitable target for the exact title. Alternatively, retarget to Raad since that's the actual disambiguation. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Raad-1 as {{R from modification}}, which now has a hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This seems to be an incorrect term for multiple things, and thus not really a good disambiguation and no reason to point to one over the others. Hopefully a redlink will tell the user that they have their term wrong and make them use the correct name for whatever it is they are looking for. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ra'ad 2 redirects to Ra'ad-II, Pakistani missile derived off Hatf-VIII which itself redirects to Ra'ad (air-launched cruise missile). Hence the Hatf-VIII Ra'ad could retrospectively be called Ra'ad 1. Retarget to Ra'ad (air-launched cruise missile) and tag as incorrect name. Jay 💬 12:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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regional screwdrivers
[edit]- Irish screwdriver → Hammer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Birmingham screwdriver → Hammer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
two different yet similar cases. "birmingham screwdriver" is an apparently obscure uk slang for hammer, as a reference to people from birmingham being muscleheads, while "irish screwdriver" seems to be... some brand of vodka? both terms are unmentioned in the target, and results mostly gave me miscellaneous companies and actual screwdrivers cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- should note that the second one is mentioned and elaborated on in law of the instrument cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Ecuador scuba diving
[edit]- Ecuador scuba diving → Scuba diving (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no particular affinity with ecuador, from what i can gather. originally created as an ad cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
UTF-2000
[edit]Delete. Non-notable subject that is not mentioned anymore in the redirect target article. See old AfD. Nidaana (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)- delete per nom. pre-blar history had no reliable sources. if someone wants to recreate it, they can, but as is, i'm not feeling it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I can confirm this project exists, or at least existed, but there seem to be no non-primary sources about it (at least in English) meaning it is not eligible for an article. The target destination provides no information about the subject, and is unable to do so without a secondary source. However, it would be interesting and useful information to put in the target article, as to be perfectly honest, I'd love to see a section about oppositional efforts to Han unification in the project. But... without secondary commentary, we can't really add it. The page history, stub as it was, does has useful content if a secondary source could be found, and I'm loathe to delete it as an eternal optimist. All in all though, deletion is pretty permanent-- I'd rather leave it as a BLAR, simply hoping that a secondary source could be found somewhere, perhaps on the Japanese side of the web (my Japanese is only intermediate, I don't think I'm good enough to find it). The problem with leaving it as a redirect though, is that... again, we have no information on the subject. I wish there was some way to preserve the history without maintaining the redirect. A frustrating situation. Fieari (talk) 06:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- how about userifying? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Userify old content per @Cogsan, and redirect target to the userified page Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- i disagree with the xnr part cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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Sarcenet
[edit]an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk ribbon. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:LTS
[edit]- Wikipedia:LTS → Wikipedia:Recentism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Suggesting retargeting to Wikipedia:Disambiguation#LTS, where Wikipedia:Long-term significance already targets. This is because WP:Recentism is only an essay page that mention "long-term significance" only once whereas WP:DAB is a guideline page and LTS is used very often in RM discussions. In fact, of the 6 incoming links from discussions, 5 use it in the context of WP:DAB, and only 1 use it in the context of Recentism, the current target. A hatnote at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#LTS to WP:Recentism may be added. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 12:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Dionian(ism)
[edit]- Dionian → Uranus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Dionism → Homosexuality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dionian is a translation of wikt:Dioning (heterosexual). It used to be mentioned in Uranian (sexuality), along with several terms coined by Karl. Apollonian and Dionysian could mention dionism, or Dionysus. If this means male homosexuality, then gay men? Or something similar to Achillean. See Terminology of homosexuality. --MikutoH talk! 02:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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More "solider" redirects
[edit]- Super solider → Super soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Solider with the Green Whiskers → Soldier with the Green Whiskers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Tin Solider → The Steadfast Tin Soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Robert E. Lee and Young Solider → Robert E. Lee and Young Solider (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) → Rich as in Spirit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- For a lost solider → For a Lost Soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Stereo Solider → DNA (Little Mix album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Confederate solider → Confederate States Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Child solider → Children in the military (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Michael Gibson (British Army solider) → Michael Gibson (British Army soldier) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Brian Wood (solider) → Brian Wood (British soldier) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These redirects all have the same misspelling of "soldier," which was discussed in a previous RfD from last week. As its rationale says, "solider" is also the comparative form of "solid" and can also be a misspelling of at least several other words. Delete these unless someone can provide a justification or suitable alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 05:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment however, this is not a bare "solider", in the context of these redirects, there are no other topics that could be referred to by the entire redirect, other that as a mispelling typo by adjacent character transposition of "soldier", unlike a bare "solider" -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep most common form of typo. Unlike the bare single word "solider", these do not mean more solid, or other things -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- rename Foot Solider (Rich Homie Quan song) to Foot Soldier (Rich Homie Quan song) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Michael Gibson (British Army solider) and Brian Wood (solider) ; as it is the disambiguator that is being misspelled and not the base term. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget The Tin Solider to The Tin Soldier as a {{R from typo}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete super solider, confusable with supersolid misconceptions -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- In theory you are right, but in many years of patrolling solider on this site I have noticed a very clear pattern of "super solder" being a very common typo for "super soldier" - something to do with comics I think. ϢereSpielChequers 05:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
all but stereo soliderI have been patrolling the word "solider" on Wikipedia for many years, and in so doing created at least one of the above redirects by moving an article with that typo in its name. Solider does indeed have a genuine meaning, but most new occurrences on Wikipedia are typos of soldier and all of these redirects are in my view much more likely to come up as typos of soldier than because someone actually searches for say "confederate solider" because of something to do with confederates and solidity. So while I don't dispute the previous RFD, not everyone typing solider is making a typo and we shouldn't default just because the majority are probably wrong, in the above cases a correct use of solider would itself actually be odd. So we should keep these redirects other perhaps than "stereo Solider" which might as well be an alien language for me. ϢereSpielChequers 05:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)- Except why should "Stereo Solider" be deleted? What you said still apllies User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Stereo Soldier" is a song at the target of Stereo Solider, so it is a mispelling for a subtopic at the target DNA (Little Mix album). -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging that out, I've stuck my comment on that one. ϢereSpielChequers 14:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep most common form of typo. Unlike the bare single word "solider", these do not mean more solid, or other things -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. Unnecessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete all that don't have "solider" as the first or second word, as it's too much stuff to type before making a minro spleling mistkae
- delete super solider, foot solider (rich homie quan song), solider with the green whiskers, and confederate solider as skill issues
- retarget the tin solider to... the tin soldier
- and i guess extremely weak keep the rest (which is... only stereo solider and child solider)
- what a doozy... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
List of saints (disambiguation)
[edit]Pekka Soini
[edit]- Pekka Soini → wikispecies:Pekka Soini (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a redirect to species:Pekka Soini, but the target page does not exist. Wikispecies does mention them (in species:Amerotyphlops minuisquamus and species:Helicops yacu), but only as someone who collected a specimen, not a taxon authority – so if I'm understanding species:Help:Author Names correctly, species:Pekka Soini should not be created. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Made this one by mistake as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Cowboy Luttrell
[edit]- Cowboy Luttrell → National Wrestling Alliance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Cowboy" or "Luttrell" at the target article. Not a helpful redirect if we have no content on this supposed individual wrestler at the target article for the NWA. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also known as Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget to Championship Wrestling from Florida where discussed in most detail. Probably notable, anyhow. J947 ‡ edits 23:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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- In Coastal Championship Wrestling, the correct spelling Cowboy Luttrall is used to pipe to the wrong spelling Cowboy Luttrell. We can have a redirect at Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget per J947 and tag as {{R from incorrect name}}. Jay 💬 11:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The fact that nobody bothered to create the correctly-spelled redirect until now is clear evidence that we don't need an incorrect spelling of it. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Whether this is technically the wrong spelling or not (which would take some digging to ascertain) is irrelevant given that this appears to be the most frequently-used spelling or at least close to it (take the NYT for one). I would be surprised to find that most peri-notable people with scattered mentions across Wikipedia have redirects in their name anyway, so I don't understand your logic. Moreover, there are way more as-yet uncreated redirects that would be kept at RfD than currently existent redirects. J947 ‡ edits 21:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Jill Martin (herpetologist)
[edit]- Jill Martin (herpetologist) → wikispecies:Jill Martin (herpetologist) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a redirect to species:Jill Martin (herpetologist), but the target page does not exist. Neither does species:Jill Martin. In fact, Wikispecies doesn't have any mention of Jill Martin (or "Martin, Jill"). jlwoodwa (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I added several of these based on redlinks on an article. All were direct links to Wikispecies articles, but this was just a "local" redlink that I didn't notice wasn't a Wikispecies link. -
- UtherSRG (talk) 00:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
AFAIK, WikiSpecies does not host that kind of information (biographies, etc)-- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)- update ok, there are bios on wikispecies, but this one is red, so delete -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Spicier
[edit]possible confusion with pungency, to which spicy redirects to? created by neelix, by the by cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Harmonize with spicy retarget to pungency -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Implausible search term. Why would readers search for the comparative term instead of the non-inflected one? Ca talk to me! 10:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I haven't considered wikilinks. In that case, I agree with 65. Ca talk to me! 01:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Wang Qingyun
[edit]- Wang Qingyun → Chinese Figure Skating Championships#Ladies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No point in this redirect, her name is mentioned only twice here in a table. but she is also mentioned as a competitor/medalist in few other articles but none have enough content to anchor a redirect. Sports2021 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate This is the name of a 9th-century Chinese general Wang Qingyun (Northern Wei) (王慶雲) who fought Erzhu Tianguang, he is covered at Emperor Xiaozhuang of Northern Wei <make the emperor the bluelink>; a 19th-century provincial official Wang Qingyun (Qing Dynasty) (王慶雲; 1798-1862) who was Viceroy of Sichuan and Viceroy of Liangguang and ancestor of Wang Shizhen (physician) <make the physician the bluelink>; a para-skier listed at China at the 2022 Winter Paralympics; Wang Qingyun (王青雲) a fictional character from TV show The Unforgettable Memory; Wang Qingyun (王青云) 21st century political commissar at the Zhengzhou Joint Logistics Support Center; Wang Qingyun (王青雲) the skater should use the bluelink Chinese Figure Skating Championships since that's the only article where she has won anything, bronze medals -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Qingyun Wang should be bundled into this. It is the same person, with Western name order -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This was redirected here back in July as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wang Qingyun (2nd nomination). Hey man im josh (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Denetric Malope
[edit]- Denetric Malope → Model (person) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned in the target. seemingly part of a running gag of redirects of south african models created by people with oddly similar editing patterns, including adding links to them to their user pages. really starting to think an spi is due cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I agree with the nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 03:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Turbo
[edit]Unclear if this is a good target for this title. For the last two years, it had redirected to turbocharger until a recent edit. Turbo does seem like it could be a common word for something "fast". Natg 19 (talk) 20:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy retarget back to turbocharger, reverting the bold IP retarget. Current redirect is WP:MALPLACED. If turbocharger is not the primary topic, this can be decided via a requested move. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the malplaced issue. But want to determine if it should be targeted to turbocharger as a primary redirect first. Natg 19 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well I say speedy because at the moment, there are a lot of incoming links that are going to the dab page, presumably intended for turbocharger. Return to the status quo and then the primary topic can be revisited, either via RM (if there is no primary topic or something "Turbo (bar)" at the dab is primary) or RfD if something else at the dab warrants a primary redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Appears that all of these were fixed. (Special:WhatLinksHere/Turbo_(disambiguation)). Natg 19 (talk) 07:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well I say speedy because at the moment, there are a lot of incoming links that are going to the dab page, presumably intended for turbocharger. Return to the status quo and then the primary topic can be revisited, either via RM (if there is no primary topic or something "Turbo (bar)" at the dab is primary) or RfD if something else at the dab warrants a primary redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the malplaced issue. But want to determine if it should be targeted to turbocharger as a primary redirect first. Natg 19 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- keep, essentially per nom. it's a word !! cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy retarget per Mdewman6. RM seems like the proper venue here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Lisina
[edit]This target was unilaterally changed today by Duckmather. It previously targeted the article that Duckmather has renamed Lisina (Raška). While I would agree that this village stub isn't a good WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I don't think the person is either. In my opinion the disambiguation page (which needs to be fixed up regardless after this is decided) should live at the base name. -- Fyrael (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Fyrael: I had thought about moving the dab too, but then I looked at the pageview data and saw that Yekaterina Lisina came up on top. Duckmather (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it does have significantly more views than the other entries, but that's not the only consideration for primary topic. I'm probably reading this wrong as I'm not used to the tool, but I think this indicates that almost no traffic to the page for Yekaterina Lisina is coming from the disambiguation page, so readers are not expecting to find her at just "Lisina". -- Fyrael (talk) 20:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Frank Mrvan
[edit]Hatnote
[edit]- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hatnote – redirect to Wikipedia:Hatnote
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 20 § Hatnote – keep
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 6 § Hatnote – no consensus
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 17 § Hatnote – no consensus
Delete, crossnamespace redirect from (article) to project page. It appears that the word "hatnote" was invented specifically for Wikipedia, there are no other stuff with that word and the internet underlined that word as a misspelling. Cyber the tiger (talk) 14:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:XNR redirect into the pipeworking. Non-readership content. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per... well... nom. Indeed the word "hatnote"
was invented specifically for Wikipedia
andthere are no other stuff with that word
. Since I find it likely that new editors will wonder what the uses of them are, there isn't an encyclopedic target we have for this, and this redirect is unambiguous, I'm sure it's fine. mwwv converse∫edits 16:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- A reader will never encounter the word hatnote normally, they will just see hatnotes, without knowing what Wikipedia calls the internally. Just as any part of the internals of Wikipedia are not usually known by the readership, nor need to be known by the readership. If they wantt to find out, then they will probably be part of the contributor editorship, which is not what redirects in articlespace are for. WP:HATNOTE already exists for us, the editorship. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. However, I do feel pageviews should be taken into account here, given that it's averaging around 2 per day. Whether it's bored experienced editors, the readers/newbies being curious, or from the multiple pages it's linked to is beyond me, but the redirect is clearly seeing some use (would also like to note that this is linked in Hat (disambiguation), which has had 206 views in the past 30 days). I must also note that this XNR has been around since 2008. mwwv converse∫edits 22:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- A reader will never encounter the word hatnote normally, they will just see hatnotes, without knowing what Wikipedia calls the internally. Just as any part of the internals of Wikipedia are not usually known by the readership, nor need to be known by the readership. If they wantt to find out, then they will probably be part of the contributor editorship, which is not what redirects in articlespace are for. WP:HATNOTE already exists for us, the editorship. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, helpful, apparently unambiguous. —Kusma (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- This was RfDed 3 times before, most recently at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_17#Hatnote. I supported deletion in the last two of those, and nothing I've seen since has changed my position, so delete * Pppery * it has begun... 18:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Listen to Wikipedia with hatnote is unironically the best solution here in my opinion. Listen to Wikipedia is not at all an obscure article, receiving 500 pageviews a month, so the reader looking for that with this search term is plausible. An injoke-y hatnote about hatnotes is more acceptable when, as previously identified, LtW is firmly inside the wikirealm. Second choice disambiguate. And bundle in Hat note and Hatnotes on the relist, please. J947 ‡ edits 00:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Suggested target no longer mentions it, as I've removed it as unsourced (not just unsourced, but none of the sources actually refer to it with this name). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:hatnote. Reader-focused target most related to what previous discussions considered the primary use. This has been brought to discussion several times now and a salty soft-redirect may also be warranted as a cost-saving measure. Editors should know to use namespaces (like WP:, HELP:, etc.) for linking or searches. Second preference is retargeting to Listen to Wikipedia per above and previous talks. ― Synpath 02:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Dating style
[edit]seems pretty confusing, what with both words referring to a lot of other things cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dating (disambiguation), which includes several plausible targets. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per @Presidentman. Cyber the tiger (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Camera (conventional)
[edit]- Camera (conventional) → Camera#Photographic camera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no info on what makes a camera conventional or unconvential in the target, results for this and similar terms only gave me cameras you can feasibly hold with one hand cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- see also the previous discussion, which resulted in refining to the target section, which no longer exist. results seem to have been different back then too. would use the oldrfdlist template, but the visual editor doesn't like it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment a "conventional camera" used to mean a 'photographic film visible light still camera', a 'traditional camera' ; something like a 35mm SLR, 24mm APS RF, 16mm RF, or a Kodak Brownie, etc. If we take that meaning, then it is a still camera used in analog photography; so perhaps retarget to analog photography? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – It's not used, and is only there because a user once moved Camera to Camera (conventional) and I moved it back. I don't think "conventional" has any interpretable meaning there any more. Does it mean a camera that takes glass plates? A camera that takes film? A photographic still camera? A cell phone camera with only one lens? Conventions have changed a lot. According to Google's AI summary, "A conventional camera is a camera that captures blurred versions of a scene away from the plane of focus. When choosing a conventional camera, you can consider things like: Sensor type: CCD, DMOS, ICCD, SIT, or ISIT ... Frame rate and resolution: 24, 25, 30, 60, or 90", so it's not film, not still, not analog, but has a focusable lens. Book hits suggest that "conventional" is used to distinguish cameras that don't have whatever novel feature is being discussed. Dicklyon (talk) 15:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - My initial thought was also to retarget to analog photography, as that's what "conventional camera" means in my head, but the arguments from Dicklyon above have convinced me that this is an ambiguous term unworthy of a DAB page for being, basically, arbitrary in scope. Fieari (talk) 06:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Camera make
[edit]- Camera make → Camera#Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment wikt:en:make means "brand" or "company"; the phrase "make and model" means the camera company and the camera name, in this context. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- We do have List of digital camera brands, which unfortunately does not fit, since it would be "digital camera make" -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since it's not used and I can't think of a sentence where I'd use it. Dicklyon (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's an ENGVAR thing but this is a blatant synonym for camera brand to me. The problem is that with the #Brands section in this article lost to the mists of time, there isn't a perfect target for this – a problem shared by the similar redirect camera model.Imperfect targets include the previously mentioned List of digital camera brands, List of photographic equipment makers, and even Category:Cameras by brand. I'd prefer retargets to all of those places over deletion. J947 ‡ edits 00:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - "make" is a clear synonym for brand. This is what is being requested, and this is what the target provides. Fieari (talk) 06:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Where in the target is this information found? J947 ‡ edits 10:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Wikiedia
[edit]admittedly on the weak side of noms, but could someone also be looking for wikimedia? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- (Keep) It's possible, but much more likely Wikipedia. Even if they aren't, they should see their error, so I don't think a hat note is necessary. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
13:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete since having it means the user won't see the error. Better to see a redlink. But then I'd feel that way about most bad typos, so why do we generally make redirects for such things? Dicklyon (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- We have redirects for if someone makes the mistake, they still get there. By your logic, every single typo redirect should be deleted. CheeseyHead (talk) 16:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect's usecase of the reader searching this misspelt term dwarfs that of the editor mistyping a link. J947 ‡ edits 01:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It's just missing the "p", so the typo is plausible. CheeseyHead (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ambigous and corrected by the Mediawiki search function Ca talk to me! 16:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delte per aove. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Plausible typo. Fieari (talk) 23:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as highly used. On the off chance that the reader is indeed looking for Wikimedia, there are links in the first paragraph and infobox of the current target. J947 ‡ edits 01:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as yet another one of billions of possible typos, no more deserving a redirect than any other. This one is especially not deserving since, as pointed out, there are multiple possible resolutions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Main Pag
[edit]I personally think this is an implausible typo, as no one would perfectly type out the entire page name only to then forget the last "e" (I only found this in the first place because I was bored)
Even though there was history since 2011, it was always a redirect Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I am aware that there was an RfD mentioning this redirect from 2019: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_May_23#Targeting_the_Main_Page
- However, consensus can change Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per page views that make it look reasonably common. —Kusma (talk) 12:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and write articles when you are bored. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
- I don't have the skills to make a article tho Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have the skills to make a article tho Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Perfectly reasonable typo to make. I often do that sort of thing all the time when I'm typing quickly then hit enter, I occasionally miss out the last character. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems to be a reasonable typo, not out of the question to miss the last character, especially from the page view counter linked above. Procyon117 (talk) 16:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Plausible typo with tens of hits daily and no ambiguity in the target. Modest Genius talk 17:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Kee per everyon else. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Best keep vote ever? Schwede66 03:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as yet another typo, no more deserving of a redirect than any other. This one is especially bad due to the special nature of "Main Page". 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Mackenziidae
[edit]Not monotypic: Paramackenzia exists. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 11:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @IC1101-Capinatator: The standard is to simply change Mackenziidae to a family article from a redirect, discussion not needed.--Kevmin § 15:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I came here to say that. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
- I came here to say that. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
Wikiemdia
[edit]Implausible typo Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- keep. two-letter swaps early on in a title (or in a short title) are generally considered plausible, unless that also makes them possible tyops of other things. it's why wikiepdia is plausible, but not list of characters in the kingdom hearts serise, for example cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't consider that when I made this redirect. Bornacheck (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Mediawiki search function does the work for us Ca talk to me! 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect for Wikiepdia originates from the article for Typosquatting. Since that exists on the wiki, and it could be typed out by a human by accident when putting Wikiepdia in their address bar, why not Wikiemdia? Bornacheck (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- If i put baked benas in MediaWiki search, it will correct me, but if i put /wiki/Baked_benas into MediaWiki, nope Bornacheck (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- The redirect for Wikiepdia originates from the article for Typosquatting. Since that exists on the wiki, and it could be typed out by a human by accident when putting Wikiepdia in their address bar, why not Wikiemdia? Bornacheck (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Again, not implausible. CheeseyHead (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Plausible tyop. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There are billions of possible letter transpositions of article titles (trillions if you include other redirects). What makes this one so special? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Cite AV media
[edit]- Cite AV media → Template:Cite AV media (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
One of the many mainspace redirects that link to citation templates created by the same user. He has created many of them and I'm not in the mood for bundling so I might as well nominate one and see how that plays out. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:XNR to the pipeworking, not even close to readership content -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Is no different than Cite web which was kept several times. I don't think either should exist, but there's no reason for one but not the other. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- That was discussed in 2012, time to revisit it and get it deleted -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE #Cite web was nominated later today -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE It was closed as "no consensus to delete", which is elaborated on below. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE #Cite web was nominated later today -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- That was discussed in 2012, time to revisit it and get it deleted -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete while many results are for wikis many aren't so its not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep The major CS1|2 templates should be frictionless reaching the documentation, anything we can to help editors figure out how to find and use these tempalates overrides any minor guideline technicality. Nobody has presented a practical reason why this redirect would be a hindrance, but there are strong arguments why it's useful to keep. Also I'm concerned by the sheer volume of RfDs by an infinity banned sock, which are then followed up by a single IP editor voting/arguing in support of the nom. -- GreenC 16:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete. This is an unnecessary WP:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There really is no reason to have a redirect from mainspace to a template. Gonnym (talk) 11:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per GreenC. The Cite web RfD was once again closed as
"no consensus""no consensus to delete". I think it's practical to have these as they could improve sourcing without much downside. It's also a hassle to type in "Template:" each time, and I can never remember if the shortcut is "tm:", "tp:" or "tl:". (But I think "tl:" might beTuvalanTagalog Wikipedia, as I've made that mistake several times before). BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)- This is still not something any reader would want. Thus it should not exist in article-space. Article-space is WP:NOT a how-to guide to write articles on Wikipedia. The template page is most definitely a how-to guide to using the template, as it contains documentation . -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Some readers are current or future editors, and even if they're not, seeing a search suggestion for "Cite (anything)" is not likely to discombobulate them. And even if they accidentally click on it there's always the back button. AV media is itself just a redirect to Audiovisual, and "Cite AV media" is not even a search suggestion in that case. You can even type "cite " (with a space) without any CNRs showing up. (Just to emphasise GreenC's point that it doesn't appear to be a hindrance.) BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- The other RfD closure seems inappropriate, without any relists, as "no consensus". Without relists, that seems very odd -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I asked CFA about that, and they wrote
I closed it as "no consensus to delete", which is not the same as a general "no consensus" close. I was originally going to close as keep, but I felt that this was a better representation of the arguments presented, pointing to the fact that deletion — what the nominator was looking for — was very unlikely to happen (see WP:SNOW). Common practice is generally to delete non-Wikipedia-specific cross-namespace redirects from mainspace, so I weighted the IAR keep votes saying that they find it personally useful slightly less than I might've normally. Relisting may well have balanced out the numbers, but a consensus to delete was clearly not going to emerge so there was no point in keeping it open. I wasn't saying there was no consensus at all in the discussion, just that consensus for deletion was unlikely to happen.
Quoted User:CFA - BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I asked CFA about that, and they wrote
- This is still not something any reader would want. Thus it should not exist in article-space. Article-space is WP:NOT a how-to guide to write articles on Wikipedia. The template page is most definitely a how-to guide to using the template, as it contains documentation . -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aydoh8[contribs] 11:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)- delete. not a necessary (or even widely-used) xnr, templates generally aren't something readers will want to see. if they want to get into editing and templates, they can learn about namespaces when they get there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as confusing/unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. This is not a useful way to help users to find templates. Dicklyon (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Not sure I'd encourage creation of more without discussion, but is useful, not harmful, and has been around more than a year. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
- i'd consider leading readers to content they wouldn't be expecting (in this case, a whole other namespace) to fall within at least one definition of "harm" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- i'd consider leading readers to content they wouldn't be expecting (in this case, a whole other namespace) to fall within at least one definition of "harm" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Longest Wikipedia Article
[edit]- Longest Wikipedia Article → Special:LongPages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wikipedia:Longest Wikipedia article → Special:LongPages (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Wikipedia records#Articles so this stops being an invalid soft redirect to a special page and stops sticking out as technically R2-eligible. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting a previous discussion on one of these redirects at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 November 4#Longest Wikipedia Article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep #2 but delete #1. I've read the 2012 RfD but time has moved on. If there's nothing in mainspace about the subject, there's no good reason for a cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both per nom. Yes it is a cross-namespace redirect, but it got over 6000 page views in last months. The proposed target leads readers to what they want. Ca talk to me! 10:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Retarget both per nom, better target that provides some context. Target is reasonable also from mainspace. —Kusma (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Wikipedia:Wikipedia records#Articles per nom. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 18:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget and would have been happy for nom to just do this without a discussion. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
Trump nominations for independent agencies
[edit]- Trump nominations for independent agencies → Political appointments by Donald Trump#Other independent agencies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Appointees who have resigned from the Trump administration → Political appointments by Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These have significant pre-merge edit history for Political appointments of the first Trump administration, but this title does not differentiate between first or second term. Not sure whether to redirect it to 1st term article or to the disambiguation page. Should we move it to a title mentioning "first presidency" without leaving a redirect? —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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- (Nominations) Create dab page to First term#Indy Intel Agencies, First term#Other Indy Agencies, Second term#Indy Intel Agencies, Second term#Other Indy Agencies.
- (Resigners) Retarget to List of Trump administration dismissals and resignations. When and if we have first and second term page, make it a dab, and include List of Donald Trump nominees who have withdrawn.
- All the best: Rich Farmbrough 08:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC).
Template:Puffery inline
[edit]- Template:Puffery inline → Template:Peacock inline (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
{{Puffery}} now redirects to {{Promotional}}, so this should go to {{Promotional inline}}, for consistency. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Moseley tea service
[edit]- Moseley tea service → Earl Grey tea#Alcoholic preparations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
unmentioned. the section it targets to mentioned it as a type of cocktail named after moseley, but it's currently gone, so... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: We could change the target to just Earl Grey tea. I'm finding a smattering of recipes and travel guide references to this drink that confirm that it exists and uses Earl Grey as a primary ingredient. It's a plausible search term that doesn't warrant an article. It could conceivably receive a mention in the Earl Grey tea article. ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- nice, got anything reliable for a quick mention? google was being a bit of a meanie so it only gave me reddit cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Not the most ideal source, but page 56 of this trade magazine looks suitable. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- nice, got anything reliable for a quick mention? google was being a bit of a meanie so it only gave me reddit cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Term has not yet received mention at the target article.
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Syrian Republic (1946–1963) (disambiguation)
[edit]- Syrian Republic (1946–1963) (disambiguation) → Syria (disambiguation)#In modern Middle East (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Syrian Republic (1946-1963) (disambiguation) → Syria (disambiguation)#In modern Middle East (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete, the piling up of parentheses. Cuvaj (talk) 08:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
There's vomit on his sweater already
[edit]- There's vomit on his sweater already → Lose Yourself (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlike "snap back to reality", this is a much less common line in this song that people are most likely not going to be searching for. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's still a pretty well known lyric, especially since it's before "mom's spaghetti". CheeseyHead (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh. Yeah, I did not know that. (Can you tell I'm not an Eminem fan? :P) Withdrawn Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete as not the big notable part of the meme. there's spaghetti on his spaghetti alretti cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Knees weak arms spaghetti CheeseyHead (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm not ableist, I have autistic friends
[edit]- I'm not ableist, I have autistic friends → I'm not racist, I have black friends (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unmentioned synonym. As prior consensus shows for this kinda stuff, delete. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- i'm not a deletionist, i've made plenty of keep votes. it just... happens that i happen to want this specific redirect deleted. per nom, that is, not for any personal reason cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Delete Original creator's rationale: "same but with autism, probably won't get approved just trying to see if related sentences should have redirects, maybe to help with searching". If there is prior consensus opposing this per nom, no reason to keep. VolatileAnomaly (talk) 06:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Trump the sequel
[edit]- Trump the sequel → Second presidency of Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The only sites that mention a sequel to Trump are non-notable extremely right-leaning websites Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet, so delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- > as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet
- a quote for the books Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, cheap, thing that exists. BD2412 T 14:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- hard, haaaard disagree. this can be used to keep literally any redirect, regardless of how problematic it is. as is, it could refer to literally anything gumshoos has done more than once cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Trump the sequel" gets about 40,000 Google hits, so there is definitely something there. BD2412 T 17:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- ignoring the use of "trump" as a verb (ie "team fortress 2 trumps its sequel"), do those hits refer specifically to his 2rd presidency? google is being mean again, and only giving me social media :c cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- ...and of course, the literal second i send that, i remember that i can tweak my searches. apparently "trump: the sequel?" is a... tv show? series? episode? podcast? i really can't make heads or tails of it or what the preferred target would be (maybe panorama? not entirely sure if it's the right one, and it's not mentioned there...), but i know it's not our resident carrot's own article cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- ignoring the use of "trump" as a verb (ie "team fortress 2 trumps its sequel"), do those hits refer specifically to his 2rd presidency? google is being mean again, and only giving me social media :c cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Trump the sequel" gets about 40,000 Google hits, so there is definitely something there. BD2412 T 17:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- hard, haaaard disagree. this can be used to keep literally any redirect, regardless of how problematic it is. as is, it could refer to literally anything gumshoos has done more than once cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the title is a joke. 2401:7000:CD82:9000:4CFF:2C02:4B61:6F3C (talk) 22:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just because a title is a joke doesn't mean its an implausible search term. Ca talk to me! 03:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- People expect more formality than that of an encyclopaedia. This reminds me of a case some years back when someone tried to set up "mommy milkers" as a redirect to breasts. 2401:7000:CD82:9000:4CFF:2C02:4B61:6F3C (talk) 11:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- and on top of that dreadful maneuver, they were WRONG! they're called mommy milkies! i mean what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- People expect more formality than that of an encyclopaedia. This reminds me of a case some years back when someone tried to set up "mommy milkers" as a redirect to breasts. 2401:7000:CD82:9000:4CFF:2C02:4B61:6F3C (talk) 11:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just because a title is a joke doesn't mean its an implausible search term. Ca talk to me! 03:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, a quick google news search yields a number of reliable sources referencing Trump's second presidency as a sequel: [1] [2] [3]. Even the not-so reliable ones (opinion/paid pieces) [4] makes a case for this being a plausible search term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VolatileAnomaly (talk • contribs) 06:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has material.[5][6] 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 21:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Primal Carnage: Evolution
[edit]- Primal Carnage: Evolution → Primal Carnage: Extinction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Evolution is not an alternative subtitle of Extinction, as this redirect implies, but rather an entirely different game in this series. I'm choosing to vote Delete unless we have better info on Evolution Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
YV (rapper)
[edit]- YV (rapper) → Zone 4 Inc. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
We only have a passing mention of him in the target, and this redirect misleads potential YV fans into thinking we have more about him than we actually do Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
"james s Welch jr"
[edit]National parks and monuments
[edit]Scenic and Wild
[edit]- Scenic and Wild → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wild and Scenic → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wild and Scenic Rivers → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wild and Scenic River → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Scenic and Wild Rivers → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Scenic and Wild River → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wild and scenic river → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- National Scenic Waterway → National Wild and Scenic Rivers System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Without additional qualification, these terms seem a bit too broad and U.S.-centric to make good redirects to this specific topic. The ones lacking "river" in particular could refer to many different things. "National Scenic Waterways" is not a term described at target. Delete all. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all, as long as there is not a better target. These seem perfectly fine for getting readers to what they would be looking for. BD2412 T 14:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C.
[edit]- Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C. → Hasdrubal Barca (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. We don't have redirects for each person with their year of death. Lucjim (talk) 01:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep WP:CHEAP gets you where you want to go if it comes up in the searchbox. Distinguishes from Hasdrubal the Fair (died 221 BC) or Hasdrubal the Boetharch (died 140s BC) or Hasdrubal Gisco (died 202 BC) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not a plausible search term. Has a grand total of 100 views in ten years. Procyon117 (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
List of federal lands in Alaska
[edit]- List of federal lands in Alaska → List of areas in the United States National Park System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of federal lands in Arizona → List of areas in the United States National Park System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of federal lands in Oregon → List of areas in the United States National Park System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of federal lands in Virginia → List of areas in the United States National Park System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- List of federal lands in New York → List of areas in the United States National Park System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target only includes federal lands that are part of the national park system, omitting large national forests and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management, among others. Delete to encourage article creation. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see why we can't stubbify all of these titles right away. BD2412 T 14:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I just created a list of this sort under List of federal lands in Alaska. This can be replicated, and expanded with the suggested categories of information. BD2412 T 14:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- But like the redirect target, the stub is missing national forests, BLM lands, military lands, etc.. Not opposed to creating list articles at these titles of course, but until someone wants to undertake making a comprehensive list, these should be red. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. The newly created list basically duplicates List of the United States National Park System official units#Alaska and related pages, is wildly incomplete since there's far more than NPS areas, and incorrectly includes sites that are affiliated but not actually federal land; this should draftified or also deleted. I don't think these should be hastily made just for the sake of it. Some states instead have a related list of protected areas that includes state lands. Reywas92Talk 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
2026 Ballon d'Or
[edit]- 2026 Ballon d'Or → Ballon d'Or (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Event is two years away. No relevant content in target article. Blethering Scot 20:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 Lanka T10
[edit]No mention of 2025 event in article. Event not for another year, and not yet notable. Blethering Scot 20:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment/Question - The target article is written from a past perspective, from before the event happened. Did it happen? Was it pushed back to 2025 for some reason? I don't know, but if so, then the redirect should stand. I know nothing about the subject of this article, other than that it desperately needs to be updated. Fieari (talk) 06:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari: It is to be inaugurated tomorrow. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 Global Super League
[edit]- 2025 Global Super League → Global Super League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of 2025 event in article. Event not for another year, and not yet notable. Blethering Scot 20:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Romanian / moldovan language
[edit]- Romanian / moldovan language → Romanian language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete. Poorly formatted and confusing redirect. Also no incoming links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucjim (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep The language is known as Romanian or as Moldovan. The slash is viable. This is a completely lowercased redirect -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:12, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per anon. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It would already be a stretch without the spacing around the slash, but with it, it's well beyond implausible. If it's known as one or the other, people will search for one or the other. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Conspiracism
[edit]- Conspiracism → Conspiracy theory#Conspiracism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Target section vanished.
67.209.128.24 (talk) 17:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There is no consensus on this nomination for too long. Suggesting relisting. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's only been 24 hours. Discussions typically stand for 7 days before being relisted. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Remove section target, or possibly re-refine - I can't find the edit where the specific section marker "Conspiracism" was removed, but from scanning the article, I would bet that it was reworded to the "conspiracy ideation" phrasing that appears throughout the article, and thus the information is still all here. We could refine to the Conspiracy theory#Psychology or Conspiracy theory#Sociology sections, but the entire article does kinda talk about this, so my first choice would actually be to just remove the section target altogether and leave it just targeted at the article as a whole. Fieari (talk) 23:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
CTTOI
[edit]- CTTOI → wikt:Appendix:Internet slang (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- DKDC → wikt:Appendix:Internet slang (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- KTHNX → wikt:Appendix:Internet slang (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- HTH, HAND → wikt:Appendix:Internet slang (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- T,FTFY → wikt:Appendix:Internet slang (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not listed at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- delete most, put a pin on kthnx, i'll see if i can find something for it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- "HTH" and "HAND" are both listed at the target page. it makes sense to keep the redirect for the combined term. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The T,FTFY redirect page was not tagged for RfD. Done now, and this nomination has to be listed for at least 7 days.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Maria, Hilfe der Christen
[edit]- Maria, Hilfe der Christen → Mary, Help of Christians (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect from the title in German, but the target doesn't seem to have anything to do with the country or language. Delete per WP:RLANG. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- This link is from Church of the Assumption (Saint Paul, Minnesota), which was built by German immigrants with a Marian shrine dedicated to her title as Maria, Hilfe der Christen. I made a redirect it to the English article to help readers make the connection. Why delete that? NeroSpicy (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Template:Amongst whomst?
[edit]- Template:Amongst whomst? → Template:Among whom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Whomst → Template:Who (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:Whomst? → Template:Who (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Template:By whomst → Template:Who (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Delete as unused, implausible typo. We might tolerate something like this with regard to mainspace (though I note that whomst is a redlink, and whom's target of Who (pronoun) has no mention of a "whomst"). A template redirect, however, exists for the sole purpose of use in transclusion. The target of this is a cleanup template, and an in-article call to that template should read sensibly to any editor encountering it. "Whomst" isn't a word in Modern English, but an obsolete form that was uncommonly used in the Early Modern period. No corresponding Template:Amongst whomst exists, and tacking on "?" doesn't magically make this useful (otherwise we might as well have Template:Amongst whomst?? and Template:Amongst whomst???). wikt:whomst suggests (without any sources) that "whomst" is sometimes still employed for humorous effect, but WP is not a comedy site and more importantly our maintenance templates and their names don't serve a humor purpose (or an Elizabethan roleplay purpose). PS: Template:Amongst whom is fine, since amongst is still in frequent usage in the language. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 12:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC); revised 01:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I was summoned here by a missive on mine talk-page; I would be hard-pressed to come up with any aspect of this that is important. Have we nothing more pressing, that this task shouldst be thine? Must we form a delineation of age beyond with none can use words? Surely Latin is older still, thereby whence "videlicet", "et alia" and "{{sic}} erat scriptum"? jp×g🗯️ 13:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't have anything to do with "pressingness". We should not keep templates that don't serve a practical purpose, as they are a systemic maintenance burden. Has nothing, either, to do with age of the term, but rather with lack of documented currency in Modern English; videlicet/viz., et alia/et al., and sic are (like Greek ergo which is even older) still used daily in the language, albeit largely in academic, legal, or other specialist literature. Whomst is not. We do not need a Template:Thou, Template:Thee, Template:Thy, and Template:Thine to go along with or redirect to Template:You, for the same reason Template:Amongst whomst? is nominated for deletion here. PS: You're kind of defeating your own argument by writing "shouldst be thine", etc. No one is going to take seriously that Elizabethan-era English norms have implications for our template redirect needs. The fact that any well-read native speaker can probably still parse it doesn't mean we need templates that use it. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep "Whomst" does still see a surprising amount of serious uses, although I just as equally wouldn't be opposed to a deletion as most of the time people just use that word as a point-and-laugh vehicle Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously "use ... as a point-and-laugh vehicle" != "serious use". As noted in the nomination statement, use for humorous effect has been cited already, but is not a keep rationale because of the nature of this site and especially of our cleanup/dispute templates. And use in jokey Internet meme is no connected to use in the sort of language that pertains to writing and maintaining an encyclopedia, so would not be relevant anyway. E.g., we have no use for Template:Source been ghosted or Template:Because facts redirects to Template:Citation needed, nor a Template:Yeet redirect for Template:db. WP isn't written in, or maintained internally by means of, Internet meme slang. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Read:
- ""Whomst" does still see a surprising amount of serious uses, although I just as equally wouldn't be opposed to a deletion as most of the time people just use that word as a point-and-laugh vehicle"
- i.e: People sometimes use whomst seriously, but mostly it's just a humorous term User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously "use ... as a point-and-laugh vehicle" != "serious use". As noted in the nomination statement, use for humorous effect has been cited already, but is not a keep rationale because of the nature of this site and especially of our cleanup/dispute templates. And use in jokey Internet meme is no connected to use in the sort of language that pertains to writing and maintaining an encyclopedia, so would not be relevant anyway. E.g., we have no use for Template:Source been ghosted or Template:Because facts redirects to Template:Citation needed, nor a Template:Yeet redirect for Template:db. WP isn't written in, or maintained internally by means of, Internet meme slang. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not everyone knows what whomst means. Template shortcuts should be understandable to most. Ca talk to me! 13:40, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep wikt:en:whomst is real and proper English. It is not a shortcut, it is a valid alternate spelling -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 14:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is not. Proof: Use the OneLook dictionary search aggregator and search for "whomst" there [7]. You find that not one major English-language dictionary (that is online-accessible) includes this word, only Wikitionary does (without any sourcing), and we cannot rely on it even if it did have sourcing, per WP:UGC and WP:CIRCULAR. Contrast that with the OneLook results for "whom" [8], which turns up in every dictionary you've probably ever heard of and many you won't have. But feel free to quote from any 20th-century or later offline dictionary you can find that does include this word but does not indicate obsolete or archaic. I'll wait. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I'm fairly sure that this was created as a joke since it was created after whomst was a meme. mwwv converse∫edits 16:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- It was not. jp×g🗯️ 08:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete (and a trout for the creator). We don't need joke redirects in template space. SMcCandlish, would you be willing to add Template:Whomst, Template:Whomst?, Template:By whomst to the nomination? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not a joke jp×g🗯️ 08:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Indistinguishable from one, and the main thrust of the nomination is that these serve no encyclopedia-building or -improving purpose, so we have no need of them. This is not CreateTemplateRedirectsForEveryImaginableLinguisticVariationPedia (even if you assert that "this is not CatchUpWithTheJokeyMemesOfTheDayPedia" doesn't apply). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not a joke jp×g🗯️ 08:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep as plausible per 65,
but minnow the creator anyway because it'd be funnycogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)- But User:65... is proven wrong. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- You can't really claim that via one singular reply made by yourself though. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- But User:65... is proven wrong. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Harmless, unambiguous target, WP:CHEAP applies despite nominator's unsubstantiated claim that redirects somehow increase maintenence burden. Even if it can be used as a joke, WP:Don't be the Fun Police. This isn't mainspace, we're allowed to be a little less serious behind the scenes sometimes. Fieari (talk) 07:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's harmful because it can be confusing to editors. CHEAP is never a valid reason to keep a redirect; it's just there to counter any claims about redirects being a burden to system resources, which isn't being claimed here, so this is a straw man. And we're not talking about jokey essays for fun, we're talking about templates that can be transcluded in article space. If you want it so badly, keep it in user space, not template. Do you have any actual substantive reason for keeping this other than "oh no won't somebody please think of the poor redirects?" and "it's just for fun lol why do you have to be such sticks in the mud?" 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
MOS:APO
[edit]- MOS:APO → Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"MOS" shortcuts should only lead to actual Manual of Style guideline pages and not other project pages and essays. Incoming links should be replaced with WP:APOS. Gonnym (talk) 11:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not commonly used enough to warrant a WP:XNR Ca talk to me! 13:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 03:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Breathing (noise reduction)
[edit]- Breathing (noise reduction) → Noise reduction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Pumping (noise reduction) → Noise reduction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I searched around a little bit and I believe these redirects are referring to literally making pumps and breathing less loud. However, the current target is about a computer science concept, and I could not find a mention in related articles. Ca talk to me! 13:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are plenty of incoming links, which are all about said computer science concept. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There's also Noise pumping, which would be identical in scope to the Pumping (noise reduction). --Paul_012 (talk) 14:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Fucket
[edit]- Fucket → Phuket province (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fucket, Thailand → Phuket province (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fucket Province → Phuket province (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fuket → Phuket province (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fucket Island → Phuket province (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unlikely search terms. While it may not be uncommon for ignorant unknowing English speakers to mispronounce the name (it's POO-get, FYI), they would most likely be well aware of the correct spelling, as that's how they're mispronouncing it in the first place. Putting it into writing seems more like an attempt at juvenile humour. Google search also shows that "fucket" is more likely to be a play on "bucket", though I doubt there's an appropriate target for that. Suggest deletion. Paul_012 (talk) 07:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Also, the last one was apparently created by a blocked LTA sock. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as suggested per nom. No one refers to Phuket as F*cket. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Pale Garden
[edit]- Pale Garden → Minecraft#Gameplay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The current redirect is the only remotely plausible one in the page history, else I would've probably deleted or draftified. But since it's not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure this works either. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Deleteas clean-up after a blocked disruptive editor. No prejudice against good-faith creation if someone actually thinks such a redirect would be beneficial (as opposed to a red link). --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking, where it is mentioned. Oppose deletion per WP:NOTBURO. Ca talk to me! 13:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Pale Garden is a place added in the newest update of Minecraft, notable for featuring the newest monster creaking. I think the target provides information about whats the most notable about the place, which is the monster. Ca talk to me! 14:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- And I would have thought that the WP:NOTBURO argument would be in support of quickly deleting junk redirects resulting from pages created in bad faith instead of going through huge bureaucratic discussions to find accommodation for them. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca talk to me! 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I did say that there should be a redirect if someone thinks one would be beneficial, and since you do, I'm striking my above !vote. (Though I'm still not quite convinced that's an optimal target.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca talk to me! 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as wikitrashing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca talk to me! 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have never heard that term before, but I'm assuming that it's a synonym for WP:CRUFT User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca talk to me! 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking. I do not agree that this target contains no information about the subject of this redirect. It tells you, 1) It is a biome location in Minecraft. 2) The biome is in greyscale. 3) The biome contains the monster known as "Creaking". There is no further information that is really needed, this says everything we're going to say about the subject, and since we have the information, we should provide it to the user when searched. Fieari (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
UCBR8-60-B28hp2BmDPdntcQ
[edit]- UCBR8-60-B28hp2BmDPdntcQ → YouTube (YouTube channel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This is a YT channel id, but the reasons for deletion would be the same as Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 October 13#DQw4w9WgXcQ. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete complete nonsense redirect. Aydoh8[contribs] 07:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment DQw4w9WgXcQ was recently recreated and consensus has changed to "retarget to Rickrolling where it's mentioned" Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per consensus here and here. Every video/channel, notable or not, has an ID. Putting them all as redirects to the YouTube article would be nonsensical and set bad precedent. Definitely am open to exceptions though, such as DQw as previously mentioned. VolatileAnomaly (talk) 02:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This YouTube ID does not have the same notoriety, as an ID, that dQw4w9WgXcQ has. As I said in that discussion, most YouTube IDs are not notable, noteworthy, or plausible to be searched for, with VERY rare exceptions. This one does not qualify. I think a good rule of thumb would be whether or not it is WP:DUE to put the ID in the article body as part of a sentence talking about it. Fieari (talk) 23:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Alan Kimche
[edit]Joe (drink)
[edit]This appears to be a reference to Cup of joe, but searching this on Google only displayed teas and alcoholic beverages. Ca talk to me! 04:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep tag as
{{R from avoided double redirect|cup of joe}}
-- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 14:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
List of saints starting with A
[edit]- List of saints starting with A → Lists of saints#A (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unusual redirect, a long list of saints that was nominated for deletion per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of saints as WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Absolutiva (talk) 03:18, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There are no lists of saints anywhere on the target (let alone those that start with A), and it's too vague to redirect to any of the specific ones Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Catholic saints#A as WP:PTOPIC, or else Delete as ambiguous - The Lists of Saints page doesn't have any saints that begin with "A" because it's a list of lists, and we have lots of articles of the saints of different denominations and even different religions... but I think in the English speaking world, when you say you want a list of saints, I'm pretty sure people default to the Roman Catholic ones. If other editors disagree with this, then the only other option is to delete as ambiguous. Fieari (talk) 07:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
2014 in Illinois
[edit]- 2014 in Illinois → 2014 in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Deletion. Same reasons as in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 3#1996 in California. Year articles should remain redlinks so we can easily see which ones still need to be created. Target article 2014 in the United States has very little information about Illinois, so not a helpful redirect. HertzDonuts (talk) 01:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, delete per nom so it becomes a redlink. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 02:18, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. When a person is looking at a timeline (which imo is just a glorified list), a redlink telling "hey, we don't have information on this topic yet" is infinitely better than a redirect to the timeline they're already on Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 ACC Championship Game
[edit]- 2025 ACC Championship Game → ACC Championship Game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention in target article. Contest a year away and not yet notable. Blethering Scot 22:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Misleading redirect at the moment, based on the current target. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above and per WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL --Lenticel (talk) 01:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 Mountain West Conference Football Championship Game
[edit]- 2025 Mountain West Conference Football Championship Game → Mountain West Conference Football Championship Game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No notable mention in target article and contest is a year away. Blethering Scot 22:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Misleading redirect at the moment, based on the current target. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 Abu Dhabi T10
[edit]- 2025 Abu Dhabi T10 → Abu Dhabi T10 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Future event not discussed at target. Blethering Scot 22:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Misleading redirect at the moment, based on the current target. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 10:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above per above[hyperbole]. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
April 31
[edit]- April 31 → List of non-standard dates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The only reasoning for this appears to be "Java (specifically the java.util.Calendar class) allows dates such as February 0 (= January 31) and April 31 (= March 1)." The problem is that that particular class in Java seems to accept any integer for the date. I tested "April 366" which showed up as March 31 of the next year. The internet does say that there is a reference to "April 31" in the The Long Walk by Stephen King, but it is purposely supposed to be a fictional date, even within that universe. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- The statement was added unsourced (and shouldn't it be "May 1"?). Even if factual, "April 31" is totally arbitrary: it could apply to anything, #September 31, March 32, your "April 366", etc. (fyi Bfinn) Hyphenation Expert (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- The same can be said about December 32, January 0, February 30, and many others. The redirect isn't to imply it's factual or not, it's to fulfill the gaps for the day 31 every month has in Wikipedia, such as June 31 and February 31. Web-julio (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Each of those has unique encyclopedic information. Unlike September 31.
- And note, "filling in the gaps" is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 10:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Except OTHERSTUFFEXISTS exists on Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions essay (note: not policy), and this is a discussion page (the D in AfD stands for deletion while the D from RfD means discussion).
- Filling the gaps is exactly why many redirects exist, and other stuff existing is the main reason why many redirects should be kept. And for example, different from AfD, WP:CHEAP, WP:USEFUL (see also WP:RFD#KEEP), and HARMLESS are valid arguments to use in RfD, and they are used frequently, including this current page. Web-julio (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- RfDs are deletion discussions, because this is where the deletion of redirects is discussed. That "deletion" is not in the title of the venue is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- is the existence of outcomes other than "keep" and "delete" (retarget, disambiguate, etc.) enough to disagree with that? rfd is a discussion venue, and deletion is one of the possible results cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- But there's Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages, which distinguishes AfD and RfD. This is a discussion that proposes a deletion, so technically is a deletion discussion, but not every RfD is a deletion discussion. Well, neither some AfDs, but why would someone AfD proposing to merge or rename if there are specific tools for that? The alternative is redirect in an AfD, but even there some see this as a form of deletion.
- Nonetheless, that essay still says that what doesn't apply in an AfD may or may not apply to other forms of discussions. Also Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments. Web-julio (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, I'm not sure why it matters that WP:ATA is "Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions". The aim of the essay is to list off ways of "contributing" to a given discussion that may instead just hinder the discussion, such as WP:JUSTAVOTE, WP:ATA#CRYSTAL, or, indeed, WP:OTHERSTUFF. As the opener to the essay itself states,
While this page is tailored to deletion discussion, be that of articles, templates, images, categories, stub types, or redirects, these arguments to avoid may also apply to other discussions, such as about deleting article content, moving pages, etc.
𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- RfDs are deletion discussions, because this is where the deletion of redirects is discussed. That "deletion" is not in the title of the venue is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- The same can be said about December 32, January 0, February 30, and many others. The redirect isn't to imply it's factual or not, it's to fulfill the gaps for the day 31 every month has in Wikipedia, such as June 31 and February 31. Web-julio (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- It seems the current target page talk wasn't notified. Web-julio (talk) 01:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the target mentions Excel, but doesn't get into the use of these nonstandard dates in formulas (it only mentions the weird 1900 problem). In Excel and programs like it, if you add one day to the last day of a month, it returns the first day of the following month. It doesn't recognize April 31 as a valid date if you write it in a cell directly, but April 30 + 1 = May 1. I'm not sure if that could fit into content in the article, or if it's more prominent than other uses that have been suggested here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget. May 1 was the 2014 discussion outcome. But April 30 might be the likely sought-for page for users who simply forgot April's last date. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my comment at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_14#September_31 * Pppery * it has begun... 20:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Nightb***h (film)
[edit]- Nightb***h (film) → Nightbitch (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wikipedia is not censored. Name of film is simply nightbitch, and therefore redirect is an unlikely search term. Blethering Scot 22:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Only one hit on Google, so this plausible censoring is not actually in common use. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- That one hit is from the Daily Mail, which, while very far from a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes, is very widely-read. That makes this a plausible search term, and redirects are cheap. Keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 23:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep we usually don't house "censored" redirects, and especially not those that aren't commonly used and have one ghit but since the one hit was from The Daily Mail which is very widely-read we should keep this Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 02:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch (film)" to be a plausible redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete can't realistically assume anyone, even the most naïve person, not knowing what the missing word is and searching to find out more of this item they had to self-censor. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep attested in the Daily Mail, WP:CHEAP applies. This is a navigation aid, given that a popular (if unreliable) source used it. Fieari (talk) 23:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Nightb***h
[edit]- Nightb***h → Nightbitch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Book title is not censored and full name is Nightbitch. Wikipedia is also not censored. Blethering Scot 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Only one hit on Google, so this plausible censoring is not actually in common use. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- A little bit on the fence about this one, because the one instance of the term being censored was regarding the film (see above), but ultimately it's plausible here too so keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 23:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch" to be a plausible redirect. don't you hate it when your stay at home wife sometimes transforms into a dog? that happened to my buddy eric once, and his week was ruined cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- ow my consonants cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Plausible censoring. Wikipedia is not censored, but a redirect is not content, it's a navigation aid. The fact that wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean our users necessarily know that, or that they won't self-censor themselves, or copy a search term from someone else who does. WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Female youtuber
[edit]Gender an unlikely additional search term for a YouTuber. Blethering Scot 22:00, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Blethering Scot: Not sure I understand your deletion rationale. How is it unlikely? "Ambiguous" is probably the word you meant to use. And I might add that it's also misleading, since there aren't any "female YouTubers" at the target. Delete. CycloneYoris talk! 22:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is certainly ambiguous, and not relevant to the target. However I also don't see it as a search term that is likely to be used, to find that article. Probably just my way of wording things. Blethering Scot 22:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Plausible or not, there's no such topic at the target, so it's a misleading redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as vague --Lenticel (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 02:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete
listing female youtubers and categorizing them is WikiTubia's jobnevermind, wikitubia apparantly doesn't categorize youtuber's by gender? i just tried it with Jaiden, couldn't find a link to something like Category:Female youtubers Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC) - Delete per WP:GENDER and WP:NPOV. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GENDER and WP:NPOV. Pls stop sexism (Cheers). 2A0E:41E:481:0:8580:5047:4FEB:E6F8 (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- I struggle to see how both policies nor sexism applies here. Ca talk to me! 16:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- create an article about viva reverie, retarget to her as she is the only female youtuber to have ever existed ever (besides all the others), and then delete per nom and someone. steps 1 and 2 are optional cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
BlueSky
[edit]Arguing that BlueSky should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Bluesky (BlueSky → Blue Sky) given a lot of people think the S is capitalized. The Wikinav data at the current DAB page target shows that clearly the majority of users expect to navigate to the social media platform. Raladic (talk) 20:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is Blue sky also redirects to the dab, and well, the general concept of the sky being blue has a much greater long-term significance than a social media platform. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's a whole space in between though, which is why it's fine to have Blue sky redirect to the DAB page. Whereas BlueSky is just alternate capitalization to Bluesky, which is obviously the WP:PTOPIC as it is un-disambiguated. Navigation is there to help the user and likely many users accidentally think the social media platform is using a capitalized S, which is why they're landing on the DAB instead of the target as the DABs navigation shows. This redirect was only just created 4 months ago by @Bobby Cohn, so I think just pointing it straight to the likely target as alternative capitalization makes sense. Raladic (talk) 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm indifferent. If I recall, in creating the redirect, I was surprised (probably like many of our readers) to find out the social media company did not use CamelCase, but given the length of the dab page wasn't sure if it was determinative enough to claim it for the company. That is to say I would not be opposed to the proposed redirect as nominated, with the {{R from incorrect capitalisation}}. I think whatever would aid our readers the most, but with that said, I'm not sure the wikinav results can confirm that the majority are landing on the page from the redirect with the intention on getting to the social media company, unless there's a way to tell that. Bobby Cohn (talk) 14:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's a whole space in between though, which is why it's fine to have Blue sky redirect to the DAB page. Whereas BlueSky is just alternate capitalization to Bluesky, which is obviously the WP:PTOPIC as it is un-disambiguated. Navigation is there to help the user and likely many users accidentally think the social media platform is using a capitalized S, which is why they're landing on the DAB instead of the target as the DABs navigation shows. This redirect was only just created 4 months ago by @Bobby Cohn, so I think just pointing it straight to the likely target as alternative capitalization makes sense. Raladic (talk) 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the social media, as that's by far and away the "BlueSky" they want to read about the most for now. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 02:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Beware recentism. The social network has existed for about two years and, despite its trendiness, is not actually that big in the grand scheme of social networks. It has, for sure, enough significance to win out as the primary topic for Bluesky over Bluesky, Alberta and Bluesky Formation. But asserting it as the primary topic for a miscapitalization is quite another thing, especially when there are things on the DAB page that actually are capped that way, namely BlueSky Software and BlueSky Charter School.However, we can emphasize the social network a bit more, by starting the DAB with "Bluesky is a social media platform. Blue Sky, BlueSky or Bluesky may also refer to...". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- As I pointed out above, the redirect is newer than the company, so it's hard to argue that there's recentism with regards to keeping it to the DAB. Raladic (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that someone only recently thought to make the redirect has no bearing on whether a retarget would be recentist. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, that's why I brought it to RfD as I wasn't sure if I should do it boldly, so I wanted more input from other editors. Raladic (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that someone only recently thought to make the redirect has no bearing on whether a retarget would be recentist. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- As I pointed out above, the redirect is newer than the company, so it's hard to argue that there's recentism with regards to keeping it to the DAB. Raladic (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as DAB - I don't believe that the social network has firmly established WP:PTOPIC status over everything else at the disambiguation page. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
List of canonizations
[edit]- List of canonizations → Lists of saints (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Per discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of saints. Absolutiva (talk) 19:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep After reviewing the AfD, I don't see any reason to delete the redirect. It's just been retargeted to the new list of lists. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Hi. I created a page with this name 19 years ago, which apparently is reason to leave me a boilerplate message notifying me of this discussion. I'll level with you here. I cannot remember why precisely I created this page under the name list of canonizations rather than list of saints. I think it might have been to keep the scope down, originally? Ultimately though my original intent doesn't matter. But there is a perfectly good edit history spanning over a decade for this page, whereas, Lists of saints? That was created in November. Like, last month. Since List of canonizations has been apparently a good enough article name to have spanned until 2020, when it was redirected to List of saints, I think there might be some cause to believe that we should not remove the redirect from this URL, which has remained valid for 14 years, along with its entire edit history. Morwen (talk) 02:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. NLeeuw (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - An article being deleted is not rationale to delete a redirect. AfD and RfD are completely different processes with entirely different criteria. This is a valid redirect. Fieari (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
List of canonized saints
[edit]- List of canonized saints → Lists of saints (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Per discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of saints. Absolutiva (talk) 19:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep After reviewing the AfD, I don't see any reason to delete the redirect. It's just been retargeted to the new list of lists. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Presidentman. NLeeuw (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Few things said at AfD are likely to be relevant at RfD, to be honest. This is a valid redirect. Fieari (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Barotrauma and Wind turbines
[edit]- Barotrauma and Wind turbines → Bat#Conservation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"barotrauma" refers to damage caused by air pressure differences. while pretty unique to bats since their lungs are held together with thoughts and prayers, it's not exclusive to them. granted, getting sent to the shadow realm due to barotrauma from the low-pressure areas just behind the blades of wind turbines is a little more closely associated with bats, but it's not what the redirect's wording necessarily implies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - the intersection of the two topics is unique to bats - other animals that it's thought are impacted by wind farms are harmed by impact damage flying into them, not pressure damage from being near them. This is covered in detail at the target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Barotrauma#Barotrauma in other animals. It just so happens that Barotrauma#Barotrauma in other animals talks specifically about barotrauma and wind turbines (referring to bats as well), which renders this redirect a little less surprising and isn't WP:XY-type ambiguous. Maybe this can be moved to Barotrauma and wind turbines (no capital W) if we want to be particular about formatting. ― Synpath 20:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- i was more concerned with the use of "and", as opposed to "from" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget per Synpath. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Fado (character)
[edit]- Fado (character) → The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Fado is indirectly mentioned in the passage
Tetra remains in the castle while Link and the King journey to the two sages who provided the Master Sword's power. They discover Ganon's forces murdered them both
(which includes Fado). Maybe a mention could be added but I am doubtful. Ca talk to me! 08:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)- I don't think that's good enough for the redirect to target there, since he isn't mentioned by name. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Concur with QuicoleJR. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
State of Palestine'
[edit]- State of Palestine' → State of Palestine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
self-explanatory Ca talk to me! 15:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Looks like an unrepaired typo. No incoming mainspace links. Andrewa (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 02:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A "stray" apostrophe is fine for the possessive case of plural nouns that end with "s", none of which describe Palestine Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 02:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Exterminate over QE:NONCOMMON.[hyperbole]
- Actual textDelete per WP:UNNATURAL.
- 67.209.128.31 (talk) 05:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
"Israel"
[edit]Unnatural redirect. There is no reason to put the country's name in quotes unless in a pejorative sense. Ca talk to me! 15:00, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Delete" per WP:UNNATURAL. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Delete" Prior consensus (which for the life of me I can't find) dictates that unless the thing in question is officially stylized in quotes that a redirect surrounded in quotes should be deleted Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as alt-right POV pushing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 05:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:UNNATURAL RealStranger43286 (talk) 05:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
三州府
[edit]There's two possible targets for 三州府: Straits Settlements and Suong. 三州府 is an old alternative Chinese-language name Straits Settlements, and 三州府市 (三州府 + city) is the name historically and currently used by Chinese-speakers and Chinese Cambodians people for Suong. The Chinese Wikipedia has chosen to solve this with a disambiguation page zh:三州府, so this term seemingly cannot be tied very strongly to one article. I'm not seeing how we could create a local policy-compliant dab page. Given the very high bar needed to have a non-English redirect page, we should probably delete this. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Keep Cambodia is nota Chinese language subject. But the Straits Settlements are due to the high Chinese population of the region.Thus regardless of what Chinese Wikipedia does, on English Wikipedia, the onlysubject with affinity for Chineseis the Straits Settlements, and not Suong, Cambodia.-- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)- Update I stand corrected on the status of Chinese in Suong, being that there is a large population of such in Suong; therefore I recommend that this page be disambiguated per WP:CJKV {{Chinese title disambiguation}} and create a WP:2DAB like that on Chinese Wikipedia because both locations have large Chinese populations and both locations have carried this Chinese name. ;; So either Keep as is and hatnote Suong, or disambiguate -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the ip editor. A hatnote can be added if really desired, but I don't think it is required. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, per the Chinese Wikipedia article for Suong, Cambodia, 80 per cent of the population in the city are of Chinese ethnicity, so the above rationale might not be valid. However, it doesn't appear to be cited properly (the current source does not provide such information). If there is some related reliable source found, then perhaps a dab, otherwise keep. Sun8908 Talk 15:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Anecdotal evidence- I mean if we compare the length and detail of the zhWiki article to the Khmer article, I wouldn't be surprised if the statement that 80% of the population are Sino-Khmer turns out to be true. Baidu Baike(keeping in mind WP:BAIDU and all) also repeats the statistic, citing it to what looks to be an offline database. (@Sun8908, does it look obviously unreliable in this case?)
- But back to the matter at hand- Wiktionary lists the Cambodian city first, emphasizing that the usage of 三州府 is "historical". Again, uncited, but I googled and the Promote Mandarin Council (in Singapore) seemingly confirms this, writing that the name was used most in
the early days
. The Cantonese Wikipedia lists their (unsourced) article for the Straits Settlement under the name 三洲府, but zhWiki only mentions once that it's an unofficial name. Our own article doesn't mention the name at all. It's clearly not a clear-cut matter. - When I google "三洲府", my own results are pretty evenly split between the city and the settlement, which I think is why the editors on zhWiki chose to make a dab page in the end. They seemed to have the opposite problem as us, actually, with their initial redirect pointing, for four years, to the article about Suong. I'm not suggesting we should follow them, I'm just pointing out that there is unlikely to be a dominant topic. I suppose if somebody wants to make a dab page, they could, I suppose? Three States is a direct translation, and already a dab page, but I don't think we really make dab pages for direct translations where the direct translation is not used in English. A dab for the direct transliteration might be better, if anybody wants to make one? I'm not convinced it would aid people trying to navigate the English Wikipedia, but I suppose it wouldn't be harmful. A hatnote could be a solution, but I'm not sure how useful non-English/Latin hatnotes for unofficial names are.
- On a personal note, this is why WP:RLOTE based on unofficial nicknames can be problematic- the predominant argument to keep is that Suong, Cambodia has no affinity with the Chinese language. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just want you to note that we indeed have dab pages with Chinese characters as title. We could do that if it turns out there isn't a main article between the two entries. That being said, a main article should be decided with the likeliness that English speaker would more likely want to search. I think there are Chinese-language newspapers in Cambodia using that name to refer to the Cambodian city, so it might worth a dab. Sun8908 Talk 05:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I missed reading the reliability of the source on Baidu Baike. I am not familiar with the site but I cannot see a link for that citation. I cannot search any useful information about the database / centre by simply searching on Baidu or Google. (Note: there seems to be a lot of database with a similar name, I don't know which to look for) However, that citation seems to be used by a lot of articles on Baidu Baike. Unfortunately, only verified users can see the edit history, so I cannot get any further information from there. I don't feel like it is particularly useful as I cannot find information about the database / centre. Sun8908 Talk 11:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Legends Drum and Bugle Corps
[edit]- Legends Drum and Bugle Corps → List of defunct Drum Corps International member corps (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Does not appear at target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I removed it from the target page since it no longer fits the criteria of the list (i.e., a multiple-time finalist in the World Class division). However, I would not be opposed to keeping it purely to preserve the page history. Why? I Ask (talk) 09:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Buxamina
[edit]- Buxamina → γ-Amino-β-hydroxybutyric acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Bussamina → γ-Amino-β-hydroxybutyric acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gamalate → γ-Amino-β-hydroxybutyric acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kolpo → γ-Amino-β-hydroxybutyric acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Diastal → γ-Amino-β-hydroxybutyric acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These appear to at best be very obscure trade names for the target drug. Gamalate and Diastal appear to refer to different drugs. Buxamina may be the Spanish version of Buxamine, but there is no special affinity for Spanish related to the target. Delete all. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Entomb
[edit]- Entomb → Burial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Entombment → Burial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Burial does not have any content about entombment per se; the most is a brief mention of immurement. The article's scope, per its lede sentence, is "a method of final disposition whereby a dead body is placed into the ground", whereas Wiktionary defines entomb as "To deposit in a tomb". Which, hey, we have an article on! So I suggest a retarget to tomb. Failing that, I would say we should move Entombment (disambiguation) to the base title. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 02:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to tomb per nom Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget differently. This archaic term "Entombment" is generally only found in the traditional title for the many works of art showing the Entombment of Christ. Suggest we redirect it there. "The Entombment" already redirects there - see also what The Entombment (disambiguation) contains. The verb can probably go to Tomb. Johnbod (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- The word "entombment" is not archaic, at least in American English. It remains widely used to describe placing a body (sometimes Jesus', but usually someone else') in a tomb [9] [10] [11]. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 04:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Tomb per nom. I agree with Tamzin that "entombment" is not archaic English, it is in fact in common use to this day for the act of putting a body in a tomb (whether that body is alive or dead at the time!). Now, this act is not, in fact, that common, which means the word gets less used, but the act is not unheard of either, meaning that the word does get used. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Greg peg
[edit]Not mentioned in target; originally created via suspected promotional content added to target Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:12, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Oh boy this one is a doozy.
- So, this was created in 2020 as a redirect to Patiala peg but as early as 2021 different(?) IPs keep on editing this to a unsourced stub about a specific Patiala peg type/brand(?) in Punjab. A war between Renamed user 7z42t3k8qj (who was continually editing the redirect to turn back into a redir, the only reason I'm not pinging them is because they've been inactive since 2021) and IPs were going on until this revision when it was stopped and it seemed like 7z4 won.
- Until 200 weeks and 2 days (!) later, when the IP suddenly remembered they have a unsourced stub to maintain. Then, since 7z4 was inactive and has been for over 200 weeks at that point @Frost (who I am pinging because they're obviously still active) took 7z4's place. This IP rev decided to add their current menu (in INR, may I add?) to their ideal version of the Greg peg article until nom stepped in and did their role.
- IP, noticing their pet article was under RfD decided to remove the tag without discussion, which was noticed and reverted by nom. That is, until IP strikes back with this rev which is mostly similar to the earlier one except the menu is in code this time. Finally, nom reverted this article to it's current state.
- TLDR; some dude in Punjab wanted to advertise their beer(?) on Wikipedia and is still editing the article to this day.
- why did i put more effort into writing this than i do with my school essays Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Uncomfiness
[edit]Not a word Hexware (talk) 16:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:Uncomfiness per my !vote on the "Uncomfort" discussion below. That is also a word, just not used as often. Regards, SONIC678 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, both per WP:SOFTSP, which reserves this for words that would be commonly wikified, which is hard to see happening for this, but also because Wiktionary redirects are generally harmful. Ngrams finds zero occurrences of this in all of its corpora. It's hard to imagine anyone seriously using this as a search term. And for the record, even a keep would be preferable to the Wikt redirect, since that would at least lead to encyclopedic content about comfort. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Is a word: see wikt:Uncomfiness. Keep consistent with Uncomfortableness and Discomfort. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wiktionary is not a reliable source, but the OED is, which doesn't have en entry for it. Wiktionary is pretty lenient with what it considers words, and we can exercise a little common sense here and get rid of implausible search terms, even if you can find an attestation or 3 lying around. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Attestation with meaning is basically the definition of a word according to modern understanding of the subject (see: Linguistic description) and we don't really need a reliable source just to say a word exists. Fieari (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Wiktionary is not a reliable source, but the OED is, which doesn't have en entry for it. Wiktionary is pretty lenient with what it considers words, and we can exercise a little common sense here and get rid of implausible search terms, even if you can find an attestation or 3 lying around. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - It's already tagged as a redirect from antonym, and as a colloquial term. It's fine. We target antonyms all the time, as Shhh pointed out above. If people really want to, I don't strenuously object to sending this to wiktionary, but that shouldn't be necessary. Fieari (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 01:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)- Keep "uncomfiness" is a word I do use from time to time. + the OED may not have an entry for "uncomf i ness" specifically but they do have entries for uncomfYness which is a one-letter difference Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Hallelujah night
[edit]- Hallelujah night → Guadalcanal campaign (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at target, but is a term used in a least one book (Guadalcanal: The Definitive Account). However, Google results are all associated with a Christian alternative to Halloween, and the only use of the term on enwiki is in a reference at Halloween. Not sure what's best here, but the status quo is likely astonishing to at least some searchers. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete It is an obscure reference compared with others with no actual context in the targeted article. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- The term is singular lower-case of Hallelujah Nights. LIrala (talk) 01:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous with no one correct target, and only one occurence in Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - We have an attested, cited use of the term in a book for this target. I definitely have heard of the renaming of Halloween in churches, that seems very widespread. The song linked by LIrala above is a good match as well. I think this is worthy of a disambiguation page with at least these three targets. Fieari (talk) 01:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate with at least Halloween, Guadalcanal campaign (the current target) and Hallelujah Nights Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- A disambiguation page could not be formed because of MOS:DABMENTION. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Wading bird(s)
[edit]- Wading bird → Wader (American) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Wading birds → Wader (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems to me that these should point to the same target, possibly a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 16:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Both should point to "Wader (American)", I don't really see any evidence that the term "wading bird" is regularly used for waders/shorebirds in any part of the world. TBH "Wader (American)" is a bizarre title that should probably be moved to "Wading bird". Somatochlora (talk) 17:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Target both to Wader: "Waders ... are birds ... commonly found wading ...". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Wader (American), the article there mentions the term "Wading bird" as a common term. There's a hatnote there already, it should help navigating to Wader. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 02:15, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
some regional honeys
[edit]- Philippines Honey → Honey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Philippines honey → Honey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Finland Honey → Honey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Finland honey → Honey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Himalayan honey → Honey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
locations and their relations with unmentioned in the target. note that the sentence case redirects were all unsourced stubs, with two of them having been created by the same (now blocked) user cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)- Hmm... this is pretty complicated.
- Delete Philippines Honey and Finland Honey for being redirects since 2005.
- No comment on the rest, as they do appear to have history that isn't just a redirect Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:32, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. While the AfD result was to merge, it doesn't appear that any merging actually took place, so the histories can be safely deleted. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
2026 ARCA Menards Series West
[edit]- 2026 ARCA Menards Series West → ARCA Menards Series West (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at the target, making this a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
2026 ARCA Menards Series East
[edit]- 2026 ARCA Menards Series East → ARCA Menards Series East (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention at the target, making this a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Bengals
[edit]- Bengals → Bengal (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Bengals, plural, usually refers to sports teams (which make up all the uses listed for "Bengals" on Bengal (disambiguation)). Among them, the Cincinnati Bengals are the clear primary topic, so I think it should be retargeted to Cincinnati Bengals. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 20:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose several non-sports topics pluralize on the dab page, and the NFL topic is solely primary in the United States -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Several hits on GScholar use "Bengals" to refer either to West Bengal and East Bengal or the football team. I see no primary topic here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I'm quite the NFL focused editor, and even I'll say it doesn't make sense to make such a common word redirect to the NFL team. It's clearly ambiguous enough that it should stay directed to the dab. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep at its current target per everyone above. Topics on the page can be referred to by the plural, and while the Cincinnati Bengals may be what first comes to people's minds, I don't think that warrants retargeting this title to their page, since the areas in India and Pakistan (which can be referred to as Bengals) have long-term significance as well. Regards, SONIC678 05:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
ROOT!
[edit]SEEMS TO REFER TO THE AUSTRALIAN BAND, BUT THE LACK OF A LOGO- ow my throat. the lack of a logo in the article might make it a little implausible, and there might be another use i'm missing. could just be retargeted (back?) to the band with no issue, but i'm 99% sure i'm missing at least every detail cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Root! (Australian band) as below. Why anyone looking for plant roots would search for "Root!", let alone "ROOT!" in all caps, is just beyond me. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 20:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment In any case, it cannot point to root, either point to the band or to Root (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the band, sources use the ALL CAPS for the band. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Root! (Australian band). I think that is a more plausible target. --Lenticel (talk) 00:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did some research, A) the band do have a logo B) the logo is indeed an all-uppercase "ROOT!" as the redirect implies so retarget to Root! (Australian band) Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Root!
[edit]seems to refer to the australian band, to which it seems to be the primary topic. admittedly kind of iffy on doing anything here for reasons that boil down to a gut feeling that i'm missing something, so... leave as is, or consider proposing a move? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Root! (Australian band), and add a hatnote to Root (disambiguation) there. Why would anyone ever search for "root!" with an exclamation point if they're looking for info about plant roots? 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 20:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also, the Australian band article was originally located at Root!, then suddenly (and less than a year ago) it was moved to Root! (Australian band) and Root! was retargeted to Root at the same time. This is an obvious retarget. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 20:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think you should have filed a WP:Requested move instead, to move the band's article. In any case, it cannot point to root, either point to the band or to Root (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, that's what i'm admittedly iffy on. shouldn't be too controversial, but i still might be missing like 5 different uses or something cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 21:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget it appears to be the only use so probably just move the band back here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Root! (Australian band). I think that is a more plausible target. --Lenticel (talk) 00:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Revert I have never heard of this "Root!" myself, despite being Australian myself, but they don't seem to be particularly popular amongst WA'ers anyway Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Move the article about the band back to "Root!" per WP:MISPLACED and WP:DIFFPUNCT. The band article had been there since 2010, and it was moved just last year without discussion. Revert the move, and let anyone who wants to add the disambiguator start a move discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:32, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Move Root! (Australian band) to Root! to revert the previous move, per the IP above. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Pterotype
[edit]gonna make the frankly kind of dumb suggestion of returning to red. the pterotype, built by a guy named john twice, is known for being part of the reason christopher latham sholes created this obscure doodad known as the "qwerty keyboard". thus, i think there's a non-zero chance that it might be kinda notable. if not that, i guess retargeting to #inventing the typewriter on chris's article would also work cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to John Pratt (inventor). Article re-created. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Ella, maldita alma (Tv Series)
[edit]- Ella, maldita alma (Tv Series) → Ella, maldita alma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently created article which I've moved. This redirect isn't a likely search result because of its strange mixed capitalization. Gonnym (talk) 11:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The problem with purely capitalization-based disambig errors is that Wikipedia and Google search are case-insensitive with no way to do a case-sensitive search so I physically can't search for JUST those that use "Tv Series" Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is no reason for you to search "Tv Series", just as there is no reason for you to search for "Tv SeRies". Gonnym (talk) 11:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I was trying to search for other redirects that have that exact capitalization, because I would be more inclined to !keep if it was common than if it was uncommon Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- There is no reason for you to search "Tv Series", just as there is no reason for you to search for "Tv SeRies". Gonnym (talk) 11:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Orduspor 1967
[edit]Should be deleted as Orduspor 1967 is a legally unaffiliated phoenix club of Orduspor. Should be a red link. – anlztrk (talk | contribs) 11:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Great appendage
[edit]- Great appendage → Megacheira#Morphology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Megacheirans aren’t the only things with great appendages, so why does this even redirect here. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete A whole load of other things have "great appendages", the most obvious one being male humans (not even kidding - some people have jokingly referred to their "thing" as an appendage) Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Don't delete I merged content from this article into Megacheira (which the contents of the article were specifically about), so it's necessary to keep the history some capacity to retain attribution. Looking at the term "great appendage" on scholar [12], the term is basically exclusively used for fossil arthropods, and particularly for megacheirans. I wouldn't oppose changing the target to arthropod, but I would oppose deleting outright. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Hemiauchenia. This is a (reasonably) well-known paleontology term, and the current target is where our material on it exists. Tevildo (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as noted this is not a "generic term" as intimated, but a specific anatomical term used in paleontology for Megacheira#Morphology arthropods. If there is notable usage for non-arthropods, please show it--Kevmin § 21:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have jokingly seen men refer to their thing as a "appendage", however A) no RS seems to back this up and B) I couldn't find anything on "great appendage" Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters
[edit]- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters → Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
A) No such list of Characters exist anywhere on the target B) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_19#List_of_Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas_characters - a similar redirect - was closed as Delete Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I moved this discussion to its correct chronological space on the page, as new discussions are placed at the top, not the bottom. I hope this will help, and I hope you'll take note of it in future discussions. Regards, SONIC678 17:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas#Story and characters. There's a distinction between claiming to list the characters, which the target article doesn't do, and discussing them as a concept, which the target article (specifically that section) does do. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Hawaiian style
[edit]was about to retarget to hawaiian pizza, but i realized that there are at least two other things that can be considered "hawaiian style". maybe even more! also see the history. it's not important to this discussion, but it is really funny cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as redirect to pizza, although redirecting to Hawaiian pizza is worth a thought (the only difference is the pineapple, which I don't think is considered Canadian as much as a universal ingredient). It's lucky that at least two fruits, pineapples and tomatoes, go well on pizzas (are any other fruits commonly used as a pizza topping?). As for your alternates, don't try it on a surfboard. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- i was actually thinking of acoustic guitars and shaved ice, two things widely known for being closely related[citation needed] cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- see also hawaii-style pizza and hawaiian-style pizza, which do redirect to hawaiian pizza, but make sure to specify that it's about pizza cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete there is such a thing as Hawaiian fashion. Such as Hawaiian shirt, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a disambiguation page It is plausible to me that someone could search for "Hawaiian style", and legitimately be searching for either Hawaiian Pizza or Aloha Shirt. I'm not sure what the other things cogsan is referring to as other possible target articles, but the benefit of a disambiguation page is that they could be added if appropriate. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- a lot of things related to its culture, like cuisine (excluding the pizza, as it ironically has nothing to do with hawaii), media, music, funny shirts, and most importantly(?), the coincidentally named canned pineapple brand that a type of pizza is named after. then again, "style" is a little too subjective for my tastes (could refer to fashion, art styles, how they season their meat...), so i'm actually against a dab cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig as multiple topics of prominence: "uh-huhuhehuhuhuhg, yeah, Beavis, we'll take it Hawaiian style, ugh-huhuhughuhug." On another note, after I get done with the page I've G-nom'd, I think I've got a new article idea... BarntToust 21:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- DABify - With, at minimum, a reference to Hawaiian pizza and Aloha shirt, with potential for further options. Amazingly, I can't currently find a direct mention of Hawaiian pizza in the pizza article, nor in the Pizza in the United States article, and I definitely think it should be at least in the latter of those. I just don't have the time to look up references at this moment... Fieari (talk) 01:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ooops, my search-fu was weak, in an embarrassingly silly way. Hawaiian pizza exists, and it doesn't appear in the Pizza in the United States article because it originated in Canada, not Hawaii, and does in fact appear in the Pizza in Canada article. It probably still deserves a mention in the pizza article, as I personally feel it has enough notoriety for that, but it's less of a concern now. Fieari (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is too ambiguous: Search reveals 626 mentions, none of which are Mammary intercourse. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know the reference you were trying to make here, but that would be an astonishing redirect for people who don't Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aydoh8[contribs] 06:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)- Disambiguate between Hawaiian pizza, aloha shirt / hawaiian-style shirt, Hawaiian cuisine, the inevitable BABH reference just in case and probably some others I'm missing as well Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- problem: hawaiian pizza still has nothing to do with hawaii or styles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hawaiian pizza is regularly and commonly called Hawaiian style pizza., even though (as I was shocked to learn) it is Canadian in origin. Fieari (talk) 23:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- problem: hawaiian pizza still has nothing to do with hawaii or styles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Hawaiian pizza, aloha shirt / hawaiian-style shirt, Hawaiian cuisine, the inevitable BABH reference just in case and probably some others I'm missing as well Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Chowda
[edit]it cannot be understated how hard i laughed seeing this, my entire head hurts. created as a phonetic spelling of the boston accent, though results are torn between some english product (or is it a brand?), some unnotable musician, and the character from the tv series, and i still doubt a case like this would be worth keeping. created by a user who was blocked for "ridiculous redirects", so there's that too cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it's a legitimate, though informal, regional term, but maybe change the target article to clam chowder. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 20:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Boy Who Knew Too Much (The Simpsons)#Plot, a pretty well known gag from the series, probably what inspired the redirect. Although not explicitly spelled as "chowda" in the article, it is mentioned "with a Boston accent", which is how that would typically be done. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Boy Who Knew Too Much (The Simpsons)#Plot, per the IP above. BarntToust 21:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, or as suggested by Jessintime retarget to clam chowder. Very surprised by the suggestions to link to an episode of The Simpsons. A quick search on Google Books shows quite a few hits for chowda, and when excluding its use as a name it is almost always in lieu of chowder: [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22]... Shazback (talk) 16:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's a cutesy spelling used in products and recipe names, or in dialog-written-with-accent to evoke the New England accent, to which clam chowder is closely associated. This could be done for any word ending in -er, but we don't do that, because it would be silly to do so. On the other hand, we do have some material that talks about this very particular use of the accented word, as an actual plot point in something. I think the retarget to the Simpsons episode is by far the better option. Barring that, deletion would be my next choice. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Clam chowder or Keep, slight preference for retargeting. This is a very commonly used eye dialect spelling of a word with affinity for the subject. WP:RFOR applies with only a minor stretch to apply it to a relevant accent as opposed to a completely separate language-- clam chowder is in fact strongly associated with Boston, as the article text confirms. The association is strong enough I'm debating whether the clam chowder article actually should mention this eye dialect spelling... I have few doubts that a reference for it could be found. Is it WP:DUE? Maybe... maybe. But certainly there's enough to have a redirect at the very least. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. For the record, I strongly oppose a retarget to Clam chowder per WP:RASTONISH. And to address the point above, eye dialect redirects should generally be avoided; very often, they cover up more specific content that a search might reveal. But in this case, we actually have something appropriate to redirect to. If someone wants to look up information about chowder, they're just going to search for "chowder". On the other hand, if someone wants to look up information about the gag from the Simpsons episode, this is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more useful search term if you don't know what episode it's from. Reward the searchers looking for specific information using a plausible search term. Punish those using a misspelling. However, in this case, it's a very mild punishment, since upon reading the linked-to section, even if someone didn't know what it was, they'd realize what it was. You could even put in a hatnote if you really wanted (although I think that would be a little overkill). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- My view is that WP:RASTONISH would on the contrary lead to opposing a redirect to a specific gag in one episode of The Simpsons. Wikipedia aims to have a broad readership, and there are many, many more cases of chowda being used to refer to chowder (see above, also in brand names or 'routine' mentions in travel guides, recipe names etc. in print or online). Saying that the reader can just infer from the plot summary of the article that chowda is chowder with a Boston accent does not sit well with me, and quite frankly if I searched something I saw in a cookbook or travel guide on wikipedia and were redirected in such a manner I would be WP:RASTONISHED. Shazback (talk) 20:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as is, retargeting to clam chowder or a TV gag is too specific. -- Tavix (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- what even makes clam chowder a possible target here, especially more fitting than chowder? honestly, i'm also against keeping at this point because, simply put, we're not a boston-centered wiki (at least not yet, just you wait...) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 10:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nearly every hit on a quick google search for "chowda" relates to clam chowder, not the generic chowder. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- nearly all of the clam chowder-related results i could find seem to refer to "clam chowda" (notice the specific use of the word "clam"), a product of a not very notable brand named "boston chowda". the only others are products from even less notable brands or miscellaneous restaurants. does google think i'm a tourist? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nearly every hit on a quick google search for "chowda" relates to clam chowder, not the generic chowder. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aydoh8[contribs] 06:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Retargeting to an episode of a random TV series seems WP:ASTONISHing for a common accent version of chowder. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Tom Yum Goong
[edit]- Tom Yum Goong → Tom yum kung (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Originally created in 2005 as a redirect to the film Tom-Yum-Goong, but was retargeted to Tom yum (the dish the film is named after) by WhisperToMe in 2009. I think the capitalised form, with this specific spelling, may be more likely to be typed by those looking for the film. Paul_012 (talk) 05:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to the film Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Tom-yum-goong
[edit]- Tom-yum-goong → Tom yum kung (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Originally created in 2005 as a redirect to the film Tom-Yum-Goong, but was retargeted to Tom yum (the dish the film is named after) by User:WhisperToMe in 2009. I think this specific spelling and hyphenation is more likely to be typed by those looking for the film. Paul_012 (talk) 05:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget back to the film Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. --Lenticel (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Flammeo
[edit]Not mentioned at target, though it is mentioned at Neoniphon argenteus. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 05:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Now listed as a synonym in the infobox. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Nazi persecution of Jews
[edit]- Nazi persecution of Jews → History of the Jews in Germany#Jews under the Nazis (1933–45) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Persecution of Jews § Nazi Germany might be a better target. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- The current target has much more information, although the section is wrong (it's currently History of the Jews in Germany#Under the Nazis (1933–45)). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)- Keep. As said by Ivanvector, the current target has much more info than Persecution of Jews#Nazi Germany, so it's more useful to readers. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 20:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Retarget" per Ivanvector to History of the Jews in Germany#Under the Nazis (1933–45). Do agree that the original target has more information, best to target it to the proper section though. VolatileAnomaly (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
TikTok Rizz Party
[edit]Not mentioned at the current target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, I have added content to the target regarding the redirect. jolielover♥talk 04:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- What are you actually opposing? No specific proposal has been made; merely that this has been brought up for discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Specify to Brain rot#Origin and usage due to @Jolielover's additions Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Specify? Do you mean "refine"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I use specify as I find it slightly clearer Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Specify? Do you mean "refine"? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and revert the above addition as trivial. Even without the revert, there's no actual information about this, merely a passing mention. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Quandale Dingle
[edit]Not mentioned at the current target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, I have added content to the target regarding the redirect. jolielover♥talk 04:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- What are you actually opposing? No specific proposal has been made; merely that this has been brought up for discussion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and revert the above addition as trivial. Even without the revert, there's no actual information about this, merely a passing mention. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it has material. Trivialty isn't a sole reason to exclude sourced information if its relevant. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 21:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
The Sandbox (2021 video game)
[edit]- The Sandbox (2021 video game) → The Sandbox (company)#Blockchain and metaverse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I created this redirect, though it is essentially a recreation of a page that has been previously delete The Sandbox (blockchain platform) QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G7 (author requests deletion) Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep just because a redirect's subject matter is essentially the same as a deleted page, doesn't mean it can be deleted. A redirect doesn't have the same deletion criteria as articles. And The Sandbox (company) does indeed mention the presence of a 2021 video game titled The Sandbox. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:QuantumFoam66, you're not making yourself understandable. What is the reason you opened this discussion? --Paul_012 (talk) 07:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep just because a redirect's subject matter is essentially the same as a deleted page, doesn't mean it can be deleted. A redirect doesn't have the same deletion criteria as articles. And The Sandbox (company) does indeed mention the presence of a 2021 video game titled The Sandbox. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment QuantumFoam66, as mentioned by another user, it is unclear why you brought this redirect to RfD. Based on your reply it seems that you want to keep the redirect, in which case you didn't have to create the RfD entry in the first place. Are there any questions or concerns you are wishing to address? Do you feel that this redirect may be better targeting someplace else? If not, we can just close this as a speedy keep and move on. VolatileAnomaly (talk) 03:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Trump John, Donald
[edit]- Trump John, Donald → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lastname Middlename, Firstname is an extremely uncommon way of writing names. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Yes, it's an extremely uncommon way of writing names. But, we're talking about the literal POTUS here so all forms of writing names should be included. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I think everyone will agree it is an extremely uncommon way of writing names, but that's not really a rationale for getting rid of it if it's not hurting anything. On the other hand, it has no incoming links and a total of 67 hits since it was created 3 years ago, so no one would miss it either. Station1 (talk) 08:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Sure, this redirect is highly implausible, but it's also both unambiguous and harmless. Redirects are cheap. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 20:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Specialization in bees
[edit]is there a chance of it being used to refer to some other type of specialization, like beekeeping? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Melittology? That's what came to my mind when I saw this nomination. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to worker bee unless a better target is found- I would think that someone searching for this is looking for a list of different bee castes... and it looks like worker bee has that information. I'm rather surprised the main bee article doesn't have it, and that there isn't an article entitled bee castes. Fieari (talk) 07:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
antiwhatever, helminth
[edit]- Antibodies, helminth → Worm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Antigens, helminth → Worm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
same-ish rationale as worms, animals below, but "helminth" refers to parasitic worms, so even if not deleted, it points to the wrong target (and the right one doesn't mention antigens or antibodies). could also be a case of xy, thinking about it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The title of this nomination made me chuckle. Further thoughts on retargeting to Helminth protein?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:XY applies. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or delete, Helminth protein is the most plausible target, although it isn't necessarily a clear redirect and I wouldn't be opposed to deleting per WP:XY either. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Heavy vehicle
[edit]heavy equipment fans are in shambles right now. maybe planes and tanks too. really, results gave me a little bit of everything cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- setindexify -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think this is a suitable topic for a set index article. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless someone actually drafts an acceptable set index themselves. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
London Bridge task force
[edit]- London Bridge task force → Wikipedia:WikiProject British Royalty/Operation London Bridge task force (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Cross-namespace redirect that hasn't been linked anywhere for the year it's been in mainspace, and that doesn't seem especially convenient or important to warrant a mainspace-to-Wikipedia redirect. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – The London Bridge Task Force from the WikiProject of Current Events gained RS notability (The Washington Post, The Sydney Morning Herald, & Gizmodo are examples). After a discussion in November 2023, the task force was moved out from the WikiProject of Current Events and moved to the Wikipedia:WikiProject British Royalty. Back in May 2024, the redirect was used 54 times per the Pageviews Analysis. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I know, I created the task force. The redirect whose pageviews you linked there was Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events/London Bridge task force (which is perfectly reasonable to keep as the previous place where the taskforce was located), while I am talking about the redirect from mainspace London Bridge task force. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per wp:returntored - sources posted above show that this had enough coverage to be a mainspace article, so redirect should be deleted to encourage article creation. BugGhost 🦗👻 00:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Does not deserve a cross-namespace redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Calicrat
[edit]while likely a plausible r from alternative scientific name or something, it's unmentioned, and results only gave me a brand of adult juices (i think it's booze, at least) and a list of words that rhyme with "matpat" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete The word appears to be documented as a synonym for ant in The Endangered English Dictionary: Bodacious Words Your Dictionary Forgot, p. 30 (the only evidence of it I could find), but without any other use of it anywhere, I'm having trouble thinking of it as a reasonable redirect. Still, might be useful for someone reading "calicrat" in an old book and wondering what it means, so not too sure. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete The fact that it only appears in "Endangered" English Dictionary is a cause for concern. OED has an entry, though the definition is under a paywall. The etymology section says "The only known use of the noun calicrat is in the late 1500s." So, no, I don't think it is a scientific name or anything of that sort. WP:RDELETE's obscure synonym clause appears here. Ca talk to me! 23:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Exactly one documented actual usage I could find ever, and it's from 1596. Oxford seems to concur with this. So we're talking about one line from one poem of no note written by one passably notable poet in the 1590s. The only context it's ever been used in outside of that as best I can tell (about 10 minutes' worth of searching) is Grambs 1994 and a select few obscure websites piggybacking off of Grambs 1994 by defining it as well. There's zero reason to think anyone would be stymied by this word's meaning and search it on Wikipedia. We wouldn't even include this on Wiktionary, which is extremely generous with arcahic words, because it fails inclusion criteria. WP:CHEAP, sure, but this is so implausible as to be literally worthless. (Also, this has nothing to do with scientific naming; this was over 100 years before Linnaeus was born.) TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a poetic term for ant, definitely not a hapax legomenon, as attested by this 1896 poem. Jamieson wrote about it in his dictionary (1, 2), as have others since. Redirects are cheap, but a mention in the Callicrates article might suffice. Neodop (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I know a lot of obscure English terms thanks to Wiktionary, and if it took me a massive amount of digging on the internet just to get a hint as to what it means then it's too obscure for Wiktionary - let alone something as notability-driven as ENWP Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Quest for Thelda
[edit]- Quest for Thelda → The Legend of Zelda (video game)#Sequels and remakes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- The Quest for Thelda → The Legend of Zelda (video game)#Impact and legacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - "The Quest for Thelda" was a Zelda 1 clone with just barely enough changes to avoid a copyright claim, made for the TRS-80 Model III, made by "Sundog Systems". It might be article or list-inclusion worthy, I'm not certain. Fieari (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari: If it is notable, RETURNTORED applies. If it is not notable, it still isn't mentioned at the target. Either way, it should be deleted. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable clone made by even less notable developer. Also not mentioned in destination article. MimirIsSmart (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Guren Island
[edit]- Guren Island → Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow#Setting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Lymbriciform
[edit]won't argue that it's not a plausible spelling of lumbriciform, but shouldn't it be retargeted to lumbricidae? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- should note while i'm at it that i'll create lumbriciform after this discussion is closed and if it's not closed as delete (for any reason not related to its plausibility as a tpyo) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:59, 5 December 2024 (UTC)- "Lumbriciform" is a descriptor for a general shape (which is, well, worm-shaped) rather than a scientific classification, so targeting it to "worm" makes more sense here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Ascensorium
[edit]results gave me "things that make you go up" in general, but mostly hiking equipment. mentioned in #terminology as a synonym for spiral stairs, but it seems the meaning has been changed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Online search for me only shows stairs and latin/polish results. Ca talk to me! 01:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Sanduíche
[edit]no particular affinity with portuguese (whatever that is). created because the creator thinks sandwiches are good. e tá certo kkk cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete because while i agree with the creator this is not WP:FORRED compliant in the slightest Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Sonnich
[edit]unmentioned. apparently plaudietch for "sunny". results gave me random guys and... sonichu... why do i feel my sins crawling on my back cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it would be more likely for Saanich -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I can certainly accept sammich, but I wouldn't even recognize what someone was TRYING to say if they hit me with "sonnich", unless the context was abundantly clear. Fieari (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Mex-Mex
[edit]obscure synonym. results gave me sneks (really cute ones at that), keyboards, and assorted restaurant names. as noted in the creation, an explanation is provided in tex-mex cuisine in houston, though in passing, and i don't think it'd be better off retargeted there. as is, it might be a somewhat plausible misremembering of tex-mex, but i'm not really too keen on that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom's findings --Lenticel (talk) 00:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it is used that way in the real world; so will get readers where they want to go, the topic of mex-mex being Mexican cuisine. [23][24][25][26] -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:NOTNEO, even if it is used to describe authentic Mexican food. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a neologism and it is used in reliable sources. 1983 New York Magazine; 2007 U.S. newspaper; 2012 book; 2014 book; 2017 book; 2023 book; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nom. Not convinced by the sources provided by the IP. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the IP's sources since it is a real term in the industry. Alternatively, redirecting towards Tex-Mex cuisine in Houston might work since it is mentioned there and the IP's 2014 and 2017 sources both describe its use there. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Retarget to Tex-Mex cuisine in Houston, where this term is explained with an RS. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)- Mention added so no objection to keeping current target now. (Courtesy ping User:Mach61). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Presidentman Mach61 20:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- comment: an ip added a mention to the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep as attested synonym, well sourced even, and it appears a mention has been added. Fieari (talk) 05:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
The Most Famous Barbadian
[edit]- The Most Famous Barbadian → Rihanna (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
(NPP action) This isn't an alternative name or title – it's just a statement about Rihanna (which isn't what redirects are meant for) and it's not supported by the target article. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:27, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Agreed as a fellow reviewer. Zero plausibility; zero value at the current target; not even close enough to plausibility to work for actually reasonable targets of this hyperspecific inquiry like List of Eastern Caribbean people#Barbados or List of Barbadian Americans. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep To be fair, she is the most famous Barbadian by a landslide. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Very implausible. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, redirects are not the place to decide who's the most famous/important/noteworthy from a country, and pointing these anywhere would be plainly subjective. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this subjective redirect. While Rihanna may be the first person who comes to mind when they think of famous Barbadians, there are other Barbadians who may be equally famous. This thing is better left for search engines. Regards, SONIC678 17:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
GABAAL
[edit]- GABAAL → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GABAL → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ABAL → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- GHBAL → Γ-Hydroxybutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No evidence that these initalisms are in use for these compounds; WP should not be creating these on our own. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete None of these are recorded as synonyms in databases. ― Synpath 02:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
FitMC
[edit]While this famous YouTuber does have a connection with the subject (I enjoy watching him myself), there is virtually no mention of him in the article. Unfortunately, there are no RSs that connect him to the subject, either. EF5 22:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Couldn't find a good source to add a sourced mention Ca talk to me! 23:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Karstarma ardea
[edit]- Karstarma ardea → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma balicum → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma boholano → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma cerberus → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma emdi → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma guamense → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma jacksoni → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma jacobsoni → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma loyalty → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma microphthalmus → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma novabritannia → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma philippinarum → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma sulu → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma ultrapes → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Karstarma waigeo → Karstarma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
WP:RETURNTORED. It's good, common practice to not redirect a taxon to its parent, for three main reasons: 1) There is usually almost zero unique information about each child taxa in the parent's article. 2) When a reader is on the parent article, they may click on a blue link (templates like 'linked taxa list' are typically used to efficiently mass-wikilink all child taxa) only to be redirected back to the article they just clicked away from. 3) It makes it unnecessarily difficult for a prospective editor to know that a taxon needs an article (all valid taxa are considered notable by default). Thus, editors trying to find these taxa are frustrated by a lack of information about them; readers on the parent page are frustrated by being directed in a loop; and editors trying to create or improve these articles are frustrated by a deceptive sea of blue. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 18:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the lot. As per current usage, (recent) species are clear candidates for WP:REDYES links, as laid out by nominator, and this is universally observed in all corners of our taxosphere that people actually have eyes on. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Sometimes it's perfectly appropriate to have species redirect elsewhere. I don't personally see any issue with it. As for the nominator's concerns, we could simply remove the links that are circular. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:31, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- The three points given by the nom are exactly why recent, validly described species are kept as redlinks. Do you think this kind of article exists just for the fun color scheme? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- And - you want to remove the list of links in the genus article, where they are most useful (and the only place where they are likely to ever be listed), in order to prevent circular redirects? That is a nonsensical approach. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is it really @Elmidae nonsensible? I personally think we need far fewer individual species articles, despite what I recognize as inherent notability. Not sure why you mention anything about a "fun colour scheme". I'm entitled to my opinion, and I don't think it's ill-informed based on my NPP work, but you're entitled to disagree with my perspective. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete All per WP:RETURNTORED to encourage article creation. Fieari (talk) 07:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
2025 Global T20 Canada
[edit]- 2025 Global T20 Canada → Global T20 Canada (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
It looks like the event typically takes place in July, but there's no relevant information at the target whatsoever, making this a misleading redirect. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Something Something for the Advancement of White People
[edit]- Something Something for the Advancement of White People → National Association for the Advancement of White People (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm not sure how this is a plausible redirect, especially since the reference linked is...someone's livestream? Even if the term were somehow mentioned, that doesn't mean anything, as searching yielded precisely zero results (not sure if G1 would apply (let me know if otherwise), which is why I'm doing this instead). Procyon117 (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Extremely implausible. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, concur with QuicoleJR, likely created as an in-joke. Carguychris (talk) 15:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Shitpost not even approximating something plausible. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Something Something Delete this Redirect doesn't make even a modicum of sense or plausibility Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, simply stated. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Unmentioned Doom II enemies
[edit]- Archvile → Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ArchVile → Doom II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- you know what? return to red per nom. h*ck knight and arachnotron aside, i think the others have at least a bit of a chance of being articles someday... in around 5 years, give or take cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Just so you know, I added one more redirect which I forgot to list. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- same case applies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Just so you know, I added one more redirect which I forgot to list. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
HammerHead (company)
[edit]- HammerHead (company) → Shadow Master (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Barely mentioned in target article for its existence. Obscure company which developed four games and is not notable for any more than that, and there is no suitable redirect target with sufficient info on the company. MimirIsSmart (talk) 14:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Future season redirects not mentioned at targets
[edit]- 2025-26 Super League Greece → Super League Greece (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Armenian Premier League → Armenian Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Liga MX season → Liga MX (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Copa del Rey → Copa del Rey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Ligue 1 → Ligue 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 FA Cup → FA Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Primeira Liga → Primeira Liga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Russian Premier League → Russian Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Serie A → Serie A (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Super Smash (men's cricket) → Super Smash (men's cricket) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- 2025–26 Women's Big Bash League season → Women's Big Bash League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned at the targets at all, making these misleading redirects for anybody who searches for these. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- delete this and all the 2025-26 redirects above. maybe clump those noms together too cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Dick Tantrum
[edit]- Dick Tantrum → Dan Ticktum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Name not used at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- legally rename him to "dan ticktrum" to at least make it an anagram... and then delete as vandalism anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Not seemingly intentional vandalism (the stated rationale was: "He is referred to as this by some social media users"). But while this does have some presence on social media, this derogatory nickname has no documentation I can find in reliable sources. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 18:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Technician. mwwv converse∫edits 12:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Definitely not vandalism, google does confirm that this nickname gets some use. Not a lot of use, but it does get use. Redirects do not require the same level of reliable sourcing to be useful... confirmed usage alone is enough, if the redirect would assist in navigation. That is to say, are people using this nickname without it being clear who is being spoken about? Well, no. Every instance I can see using this name also includes the real name for clarification, or is in a context where the target is very clear. As such, I'd normally just say delete and get on with it, but then I waffle because sometimes these kinds of nicknames can become more memorable than the real name, particularly when the real name is unusual in English, and I think "Ticktum" qualifies as unusual enough to be harder to remember. Consider my !vote to be mostly neutral, with an ever so slight lean towards keep. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- User had multiple edits that were reverted for being unconstructive and created The Most Famous Barbadian for humor so this particular redirect does resemble a vain attempt in juvenile humor over an actually constructive redirect. MimirIsSmart (talk) 15:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Still gonna WP:AGF and evaluate redirects on their own merits, regardless of who made them. Fieari (talk) 07:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- User had multiple edits that were reverted for being unconstructive and created The Most Famous Barbadian for humor so this particular redirect does resemble a vain attempt in juvenile humor over an actually constructive redirect. MimirIsSmart (talk) 15:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
2026 SA20
[edit]No relevant information at the target, making this is a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a redirect with no mention at target: given the 2025 season set to begin in just few weeks, the next following season could be useful for navigation. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: Do you have any thoughts as to whether the redirect is misleading in any way? My thoughts are that someone looking for this season would be expecting relevant information at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: My thought is that there are some users who add redlinks to Infobox etc. But, I agree with your point as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I do respect your right to disagree with the usefulness of the redirect while still agreeing with my general overall point. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: My thought is that there are some users who add redlinks to Infobox etc. But, I agree with your point as well. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio: Do you have any thoughts as to whether the redirect is misleading in any way? My thoughts are that someone looking for this season would be expecting relevant information at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
2026 Bangladesh Premier League
[edit]- 2026 Bangladesh Premier League → Bangladesh Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No relevant information at the target, making this is a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: given the 2024 season was just inagurated its WP:TOOSOON for 2026. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as it's almost 2 years away, and there is no known information about this season that could be added to target article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Damehar, Himachal Pradesh
[edit]- Damehar, Himachal Pradesh → Mandi, Himachal Pradesh (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is a town called Domehar in Himachal Pradesh, but given that it is 150 km from Mandi, the redirect doesn't seems appropriate. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hey! Damehar, Himachal Pradesh, shows up on the Weather Network here: https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/city/in/himachal-pradesh/damehar/7-days, and is a seperate entity from Domehar. Hilly towns in Himachal aren't reported on - but this one is in the district of Mandi. As someone with familial heritage from here, I guarantee you it does exist and town signs and borders are there which i could upload on wikimedia commons. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Even if the Damehar and Domehar are two distinct towns, redirecting to another city whose article does not mention this town seems unhelpful for the reader. Better to leave as a redlink, I think. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is located near Bir, Himachal Pradesh on the border of Kangra-Mandi dist. Rushtheeditor (talk) 19:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
National Kabaddi Association
[edit]- National Kabaddi Association → Kabaddi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Kabaddi Association → Kabaddi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I suggest to delete these. Neither association is mentioned at the target page. These seem to be the former names of defunct or renamed/reorganised associations. There are already various confusingly named organisations involved in the sport of kabaddi. See the World Kabaddi and Kabaddi World Cup disambiguation pages, for example.
As best I can tell, the National Kabaddi Association did exist (founded in 1992) and is defunct. It is only linked in the articles about two teams (from Scotland and England) that formerly belonged to it. There also appears to be a "National Kabaddi Association of Ontario" (Facebook page here) and a "National Kabaddi Association of Canada" (Facebook page here). There is one mention of "National Kabaddi Association" in Kabaddi in Canada (about an unfortunate event in 2023), but I think the Canadian associations are different from the earlier association that had a national team from Scotland and a national team from England.
I would be tempted to think that "International Kabaddi Association" refers to the International Kabaddi Federation (IKF), but it doesn't seem to. It is only linked in two articles. One of those talks about a player in an event held by the association in 1993, which is more than a decade before the IKF was established. The other one provides no clear indication of why it is linked.
— BarrelProof (talk) 19:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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O'Doyle Rules
[edit]- O'Doyle Rules → Billy Madison (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The text is not mentioned in the redirect target, so the redirect should be deleted. This has been discussed at Talk:Billy Madison#O'Doyle Rules. Graham87 (talk) 11:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
The Scream (Greek TV miniseries)
[edit]- The Scream (Greek TV miniseries) → el:Ελευθερία Καραδήμου (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Weird cross project redirect to the Greek Wikipedia. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:4786:8BAE:11B2:46A7 (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDYES. This might be a plausible article in the future. --Lenticel (talk) 02:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, unless there is an appropriate local target for this page. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 02:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and send to AfD. C F A 15:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also okay with restoration and subsequent listing at Articles for Deletion; I doubt Lenticel or the IP nom would have any qualms with that. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- No issue on my end if there's a WP:BLAR problem. --Lenticel (talk) 05:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @CFA: Why do you think the article should be restored? Have you found evidence that it may have notability? -- Tavix (talk) 03:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't looked, but RfD is for discussing redirects and shouldn't be used to backdoor-delete BLARed articles in the page history. C F A 02:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, RFD shouldn't be used to delete redirects with notable articles in its page history. If it's obvious that the article isn't notable, that's something that can and should be handled here in order to save a second discussion. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't looked, but RfD is for discussing redirects and shouldn't be used to backdoor-delete BLARed articles in the page history. C F A 02:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Also okay with restoration and subsequent listing at Articles for Deletion; I doubt Lenticel or the IP nom would have any qualms with that. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per CFA's response—there's nothing here worth keeping or even wasting AFD's time on. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)- delete. nothing worth keeping, we're not doing this again. afd is for articles, rfd is for redirects, and blars are redirects. surprisingly, restoring content that violates policies on quality and original research... violates policies on quality and original research cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Soft redirect in mainspace (WP:SOFTSP), and the article before BLARing is far too WP:TNT worthy. like... why cite indiegogo? mwwv converse∫edits 12:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- TNT it up and start anew. Huffington Post is a good start and is even allowed per Wikipedia:RS/P for anything that isn't political. Indiegogo, on the other hand Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Adimo
[edit]This name isn't mentioned in the current revision of the target article. Page history shows that it used to mention Adimo when the Adimo article was moved to its current title on February 19, 2014. In order for this redirect to be helpful, Adimo must be mentioned somewhere in the target article again. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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⚭/equaric unicodes
[edit]- ⚣ → Gay men (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- ⚢ → LGBTQ symbols (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
anon IP changed status quo of the Achillean/gay symbol. But the gay men and lesbian pages don't mention the unicodess specifically, only the image. Also that also means sapphism in general. --MikutoH talk! 02:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep 1st, Retarget 2nd to Lesbian I see that lesbianism is the primary subject to the second and the first redirects to the primary subject. Kolano123 (talk) 19:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- It would also be consistent with ⚤. I also noticed that ⚣ never had the current target before, but the gay men page didn't exist when it was created. They were retargeted two times by Leif Runenritzer and Kwamikagami. Also @Gaismagorm: Any comment? --MikutoH talk! 03:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly I'd say Keep second and Retarget first to LGBTQ symbols since I feel like nobody is gonna be searching up the unicode symbol and looking for the article on gay men or lesbian, and instead will likely be looking for info on the symbol itself. Gaismagorm (talk) 11:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- It would also be consistent with ⚤. I also noticed that ⚣ never had the current target before, but the gay men page didn't exist when it was created. They were retargeted two times by Leif Runenritzer and Kwamikagami. Also @Gaismagorm: Any comment? --MikutoH talk! 03:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kingsmasher678 (talk) 06:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to Gender symbol#Sexual orientation and gender politics. That's the article about the gender symbols, and that's the article with the most information on these two in particular. If anybody searches for these two symbols, they will get the most information from the Gender symbol article. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 06:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to LGBTQ symbols: My first thought was to retarget them to achillean and sapphic, respectively, because they're technically more correct. My second thought, though, was that those two terms are comparatively obscure and most people searching using the symbols would, in fact, probably be looking for gay man and lesbian. My third thought was... how likely are those to be actually used as search terms? Probably not very. Finally, my fourth thought, upon reading Gaismagorm's comment above, was that, yeah, in the unlikely event that someone copy and pastes those symbols into the search bar, they are probably better served by the article about the symbols themselves, rather than what they represent. Gender symbol would also work because it basically contains the same content, but I think LGBTQ symbols is slightly preferable because it's somewhat more narrowly focused and would probably leave readers less confused. -- 3 kids in a trenchcoat (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Gender symbol#Sexual orientation and gender politics. I don't strenuously object to LGBTQ symbols being the target instead, but I think the Gender symbol article is clearer and provides more information. Fieari (talk) 07:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
2024 AP Poll
[edit]- 2024 AP Poll → 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football rankings#AP Poll (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Seems ambigous but I'm not totally sure what would be a better target. Could refer to 2024–25 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings, 2024–25 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings. But college football is the only one that only uses 2024. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Or it could refer to the 2024 Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election. Delete as vague. Jay 💬 06:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I would prefer a disambiguation rather than a deletion. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Athletic Field (Seattle)
[edit]- Athletic Field (Seattle) → Championship Field (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ambiguous title which does not have any mention at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I brought this up in a discussion at Talk:Championship Field#Previous facilities at this site: Athletic Park, YMCA Park, baseball field.
- There was a previous athletic field at the site variously called Athletic Park (Seattle), Athletic Field (Seattle), YMCA Park, Y.M.C.A. Park, etc.
- The original reliable, secondary sources surely exist for these names in the back issues of the original newspapers. I have not yet had a chance to expand the article.
- PK-WIKI (talk) 17:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Gamma-Aminobutanol
[edit]- Gamma-Aminobutanol → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gamma-aminobutanol → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Γ-Aminobutanol → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Γ-aminobutanol → Γ-Aminobutyraldehyde (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target is an aldehyde, a derivative of butanal, not a derivative of an alcohol, butanol. These names would refer to 4-amino-1-butanol, but the Greek letter prefixes aren't used for alcohols like that. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. You could probably twist around and say these are plausible synonyms for the alcohol, based on the pattern for aldehydes and carboxylates, but they're just not used in the wild. However, I was surprised to see Utopes created this so I looked into why and based on this I think these were created as typos, as the corresponding -al redirects don't exist, e.g. Gamma-Aminobutanal, gamma-Aminobutanal, gamma-aminobutanal, γ-Aminobutanal and γ-aminobutanal (and other variations with proper and improper capitalization). ― Synpath 17:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- That being said, I don't think those redirects should be made as mixing greek prefixes with the -al suffix is also something that isn't really done. ― Synpath 17:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'll go through and make all the appropriate alt name redirects, but these don't belong. These were created via AfC by an IP request. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:46, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Bandahara
[edit](Procedural nomination on behalf of Ariankntl Mdewman6 (talk) 03:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)). I propose that the redirect Bandahara be deleted or replaced, as the current redirect to Bendahara is inappropriate. "Bandahara" refers to a specific geographical feature, Mount Bandahara in Indonesia, while the title of Bendahara in the context of traditional Malay government is generally no longer used in modern government structures. The two are entirely unrelated, and this redirect may confuse readers seeking information about the mountain.
I suggest deleting the redirect and allowing Bandahara to become an independent article about the mountain. Thank you for your attention. Ariankntl (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Probably oppose, alternative suggestion - does this re-direct fall under the Reasons for not deleting 2,3 and 6? Would the better alternative not be a disambiguation page? - Master Of Ninja (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirecting "Bandahara" to "Bendahara" is inappropriate because the term "Bandahara" is more relevant when associated with Mount Bandahara. A better solution would be to direct "Bandahara" to an article about the mountain. This ensures that the information provided is more accurate and meets the user's search expectations. Ariankntl (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- How do you prove that it is more relevant? I think in the grand scale of things very few people will go and look for either article. I generally would not care about this topic, but someone posted it on my talk page. I note that I created "Bandahara" in 2014, and the "Mount Bandahara" article was created this month - I think this probably points to how important these articles looking at the greater picture - I don't think the generic user is looking for either of these. I think my points under reasons for deleting still stand. However, a disambiguation page might be better for the user to point to the correct article. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirecting "Bandahara" to "Bendahara" is inappropriate because the term "Bandahara" is more relevant when associated with Mount Bandahara. A better solution would be to direct "Bandahara" to an article about the mountain. This ensures that the information provided is more accurate and meets the user's search expectations. Ariankntl (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank Goodness
[edit]- Thank Goodness → Wicked (musical) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Isn't that a bit too vague to be specific too a play? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).
- Delete per nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 01:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to wikt:thank goodness. Web-julio (talk) 02:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep since it's capitalized and actually a title mentioned at the target. I'd be surprised if this weren't the title of anything else, in which case a dab might be appropriate, but I didn't find anything after a quick search. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keeep per 35. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- retarget to wiktionary. not entirely sure how popular wicked is, but i am sure it's not popular enough to be the primary topic for a term like this. results mostly gave me thank goodness you're here cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Soft retarget to wikt. Wicked probably isn't the primary topic, and I feel like a dab (if it's even possible) wouldn't exactly do this title justice. mwwv converse∫edits 22:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Wikt, per cogsan and mwwv. 〜 Askarion ✉ 19:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: What's the primary topic here?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Repeat after me...Wiktionary redirects are BAD. This one is especially bad. Native speakers do not need to look up the meaning of such a common phrase. Non-native speakers shouldn't be looking up meanings in an encyclopedia; they should use a dictionary. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. It's claimed immediately above that this isn't the primary topic, but then what is? We have no encyclopedic content about the phrase itself, so it can't be that by default. We do have a mention of this as a song title, which is at least something. Delete it if you must, but soft redirects to Wikt should really be avoided...what would even be the point of this one? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:DIFFCAPS. The song is the only topic in English Wikipedia by this exact name. Literally every single other one of the 260 hits in Special:Search/~"Thank Goodness" is either a WP:PTM or a coincidental use of the phrase in the title of a source cited. There's nothing to disambiguate here. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 05:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:DIFFCAPS, as the only target with this capitalization. I will not repeat after IP above, as I do not agree that wiktionary links are default bad, but we have a better target here, and it's the target we already have. Fieari (talk) 07:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
X.
[edit]Delete. Pointless redirect. There are no topics on X (disambiguation) referred to as "X." GilaMonster536 (talk) 00:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
it's not pointless, there's a point right there smh smh smh- delete per nom. don't think middle names starting with x would cut it either cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Child suicide bomber
[edit]- Child suicide bomber → Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Child suicide bombers have been used in multiple conflicts by multiple groups. This redirect has pointed to this page since 2005-ish and is apparently the result of a page move, so I don't feel comfortable unilaterally retargeting. (The page it points to originally referred to the concept of child suicide bombers in general, as per earliest revisions - [27]) GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- What do you propose as the new target? Children in the military? Suicide attack? I couldn't find a lot of options to choose from. - Ïvana (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure. There's a valid argument to be made for both, and I still haven't made my mind up. I just know that the current target is...less than acceptable and I was hoping that wider community discussion would make things clearer. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 06:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to suicide attack. To address @Ïvana's question, the concept is not inherently or exclusively military. Carguychris (talk) 15:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to suicide attack per above. Not mainly a military thing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to suicide attack per my original suggestion/question and the above comments. The other article does mention that it includes non-state armed groups, which presumably covers groups that are not strictly military or have at most some military components (like liberation movements), but the title doesn't reflect that, in my opinion, so this seems the best choice. - Ïvana (talk) 03:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Conflict in Ukraine
[edit]2025–26 I-League
[edit]No relevant information at the target about the season, making the redirect currently misleading. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Gerecter
[edit]Does not appear to be relevant to the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
List of Cuphead speedrunning records
[edit]Tower Cam
[edit]Alternative language redirects to Shohei Ohtani
[edit]CraftBukkit
[edit]Chaur
[edit]polypifer
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#polypifer
Save battery
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#Save battery
Battery save
[edit]Tshiamo Nong
[edit]2027 Formula One World Championship
[edit]Ac/DC
[edit]Unnecessary redirect; When would a user have AC lowercased and DC uppercased? Hexware (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems like textbook WP:CHEAP to me with no chance of ambiguity. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- We do have an entire AC/DC (disambiguation) ;; and the non-music electrical topic; the war of the currents between Tesla and Edison -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Harmless. And I'm not convinced the band is primary anyway, but assuming it is there's no reason it's not primary for the miscapitalization that's correct for nothing. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete recently created mix of lower and uppercase. If this was an old redirect, I would have agreed to keep. I see no reason for editors to create new redirects with half-and-half cases. Jay 💬 15:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Jay. Harmless, but recently created. Mdewman6 (talk) 08:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 05:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)- keep. while the inconsistent capitalization hurts me as much as people who use "it's" as the possessive form of "it" (do y'all say "hi's"?), it's not really implausible in any way. at this point, it's kind of not recent anymore, so there goes that, i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- no big opinion on retargeting to the dab, by the way cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Textbook WP:CHEAP. I prefer not to target the DAB directly, the hatnote at the current target is enough to catch other use cases... the band does have some claim to WP:PTOPIC here. To flip nom's rational: Deletion of this redirect is unnecessary. Fieari (talk) 06:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete doesn't seem useful to have redirects with unusual capitalization per WP:UNNATURAL. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. Ca talk to me! 23:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)- Keep This is literally the kind of scenario WP:CHEAP was made for Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Keep per WP:CHEAP. The capitalization isn't hurting things here, and it's also potentially helpful—it'll get readers to their intended destination regardless. Regards, SONIC678 07:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, I see this as cheap and useful. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Template:Db-pagemove
[edit]- Template:Db-pagemove → Template:db-g3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Template:Db-move to respect the present, not decade-old oddities. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. G3 is a CSD for vandalism, not technical page moves. Ca talk to me! 10:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget seems a more likely target but maybe due to RMT where most such moves are requested its not sugnificantly more common than redirects created during cleanup of page move vandalism. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Cicindela redirects
[edit]- Cicindela (Calomera) → Cicindela (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Cicindela (Cicindelidia) → Cicindela (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subgenera, or species for that matter, should not redirect back to the genus unless they are significantly discussed there. Suggest retargetting to the appropriate sections of List of Cicindela species, where they are discussed, or deleting. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 23:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Speaking as the creator of these redirects, I have no personal preference here, but I point out that these two redirects of mine were originally redirects to Calomera and Cicindelidia, which were at the time separate articles from Cicindela. Also, these redirects are still linked to by the articles Cicindela littoralis and Cicindela floridana as well as the template Template:Taxonomy/Cicindela (Cicindelidia) Monster Iestyn (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the appropriate places in List of Cicindela species. Since the list is not actually in sections right now, I suggest we insert link anchors at "Subgenus Calomera" and at "Cicindelidia floridana", and link to those. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Trump Won
[edit]- Trump Won → 2024 United States presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect seems to be getting a few pageviews, however Trump also won in 2016, so i suggest either deleting it or convert it to disambiguation. Airtransat236 (talk | contribs) 22:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't really see the point of a "Trump Won" page even as a redirect
- Artem...Talk 22:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ambiguous and unhelpful. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This could describe a number of things the subject won, including contracts, honors and contests. It's also capitalized so it's non-sensical outside the context of a Twitter insult. Nate • (chatter) 23:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Convert to disambiguation page. We can't redirect this to both 2016 United States presidential election and 2024 United States presidential election. Cyber the tiger (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- That would be just a WP:2DABS. Also, a related dab already exists: Presidency of Donald Trump. Web-julio (talk) 17:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This title is extremely vague and unamenable to disambiguation. Ca talk to me! 05:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I support a retarget per Michael Aurel below Ca talk to me! 00:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete disambiguation would require adding all the court cases he's won over the decades -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There are a lot of things this could refer to (court cases, elections, debates, etc.). User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 17:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#"Trump won" and "big lie". This has been the target for most of this redirect's lifetime (it was changed [28] by an IP earlier this month), and, seeing as the section is about the slogan itself, with the phrase being present in the section title, this redirect pointing there is useful and accurate; also note the pageviews, 12 people are using this each month. While in a literal sense, yes, Trump has "won" various things, anyone looking for one of the elections is surely going to search "2016 election" or "2024 election" (or similar), whereas a search for "Trump Won" specifically is very likely looking for this slogan in particular. – Michael Aurel (talk) 18:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, too ambiguous to be useful. Esolo5002 (talk) 20:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strong retarget per the above reply by @Michael Aurel. I think that this is my first time ever prefixing a !vote with "Strong". I had come across this redirect a few days ago and was visiting to restore its former target when I realized that it has been listed for discussion. –Gluonz talk contribs 22:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- 'Retarget back, since this slogan has coverage in a section for it, but I can see when it becomes ambiguous, eventually. --MikutoH talk! 23:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- 'Retarget back to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#"Trump won" and "big lie".--JasonMacker (talk) 04:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Bad place to redirect, it wouldn't be fair to the 2016 and 2024 elections if this redirected to the 2020 election (and vice versa). 2600:1700:9856:E900:B91C:813:5D86:D2C7 (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Do the other elections make noteworthy use of the phrase? -- Tavix (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)- Strong retarget to Presidency of Donald Trump Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#"Trump won" and "big lie" where it's explained. -- Tavix (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget. per above Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Paw, Paw
[edit]- Paw, Paw → Martha Stewart#Personal life (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The word "paw" doesn't appear anywhere in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:434F:7EAA:14AD:DD9B (talk) 13:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Paw Paw (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 14:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Apparently Paw Paw was one of her dogs, which (surprise surprise) aren't important enough to mention by name in her bio article. There's no reason why it should have had the comma in there in the first place, nor is there any particular reason to keep this around for any of the various other uses, none of which make any sense with a comma inserted. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The comma makes this very implausible to target anywhere. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Not sure if there's any good target in the dab page. --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paw Paw
(disambiguation)Edit: the disambiguation tag is not needed. It got 7 hits this year, might as well send those hits to something plausible. I disagree that a comma is implausible for all of the targets at that dab. I mean, sure, a comma is not ACCURATE for any of the targets, but accurate is not the same thing as plausible. People make mistakes, after all. Fieari (talk) 05:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)- 7 hits in a year is background noise. Arguing for a retarget is the same as arguing for a delete, and then for the creation of a new redirect....a creation that no one would ever reasonably make, because it'd be useless. We don't need to bend over backwards to try to find a home for wayward, useless redirects. Nothing of value is lost from deletion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retargeting is not delete in RfD. But in AfD, a redirect in general is considered a deletion, so this redirect could be seen as deleted already, following your logic. Web-julio (talk) 18:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- At RfD, supporting retargeting by no means implies support of deletion of the original redirect. Someone giving their position as retargeting is not saying anything as to whether they think the original redirect ought to be deleted or kept in a hypothetical world without the choice of an alternative target; all they are saying is that the alternative target is a better target than the original one. – Michael Aurel (talk) 19:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not true. A choice to retarget is equivalent to deleting, and then making a new redirect with a new target (barring page history concerns, which isn't really an issue here). Just because a target is better doesn't mean it's good enough to go out of our way to create anew. Unlike articles, deletion of redirects is relatively harmless, since they can always be recreated with very little effort if needed. And in this case, as has been demonstrated, this is a particularly useless redirect. No one in their right mind would make this redirect, hence, it should be deleted, even if you did identify a technically "better" target. "Better" ≠ "good enough". 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- If "X" is a redirect to "Y", and at RfD I support retargeting "X" to "Z", all this means is that I think "Z" is a better target than "Y". I might still think that, if "Z" weren't a possible target, "X" pointing to "Y" would be a perfectly fine redirect. This is all I said, and nothing about this is "not true". – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
all this means is that I think "Z" is a better target than "Y". I might still think that, if "Z" weren't a possible target, "X" pointing to "Y" would be a perfectly fine redirect.
. It might in other cases, but no one here has suggested that the current target is reasonable. My line of reasoning here is under the assumption that it's between a choice to delete or retarget, which this one pretty clearly is. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)- Sure, but I was only speaking in general, as indicated by me starting my comment with
At RfD
. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but I was only speaking in general, as indicated by me starting my comment with
- If "X" is a redirect to "Y", and at RfD I support retargeting "X" to "Z", all this means is that I think "Z" is a better target than "Y". I might still think that, if "Z" weren't a possible target, "X" pointing to "Y" would be a perfectly fine redirect. This is all I said, and nothing about this is "not true". – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not true. A choice to retarget is equivalent to deleting, and then making a new redirect with a new target (barring page history concerns, which isn't really an issue here). Just because a target is better doesn't mean it's good enough to go out of our way to create anew. Unlike articles, deletion of redirects is relatively harmless, since they can always be recreated with very little effort if needed. And in this case, as has been demonstrated, this is a particularly useless redirect. No one in their right mind would make this redirect, hence, it should be deleted, even if you did identify a technically "better" target. "Better" ≠ "good enough". 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- 7 hits in a year is background noise. Arguing for a retarget is the same as arguing for a delete, and then for the creation of a new redirect....a creation that no one would ever reasonably make, because it'd be useless. We don't need to bend over backwards to try to find a home for wayward, useless redirects. Nothing of value is lost from deletion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: (non-admin comment) Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 22:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paw Paw per Fieari. Web-julio (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Paw Paw per Fieari. Given the pronunciation of "Paw Paw", the presence of a comma in the middle phonetically makes sense, so this isn't unnatural as would be, for instance, "Donald, Trump". – Michael Aurel (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, what? No it doesn't. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- You say it with a slight pause in the middle, no? That's how it's said where I'm from, like the first two "row"s in "row, row, row your boat". All I'm saying is that this is different to how you say a name, where there's no sort of gap or pause in between the first name and surname, so it isn't as unnatural. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
"You say it with a slight pause in the middle, no?"
Um, no, you don't, and I can't imagine that anyone would do so. Your analogy is also inapt because a) it's a list, where you add commas anyway, and b) it's a song, and there's an equivalent pause between the 3rd "row" and "boat", despite there being no comma there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)- Ok, well, I don't think so, but if you feel strongly about it, pretend I didn't include the added reason, like the commenter directly above. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- You say it with a slight pause in the middle, no? That's how it's said where I'm from, like the first two "row"s in "row, row, row your boat". All I'm saying is that this is different to how you say a name, where there's no sort of gap or pause in between the first name and surname, so it isn't as unnatural. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, what? No it doesn't. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to Paw Paw. Yeah, this one seems rather obvious to me :P Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that this page can't be retargeted to Paw Paw (disambiguation) because this is a redirect page. Liz Read! Talk! 09:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Jeebus
[edit]Peter "Pete" B. Hegseth
[edit]Pamintâ
[edit]Spicier
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#Spicier
Cooking/Seasoning
[edit]Wikipedia:WHITEWASHING
[edit]Naked snail
[edit]Ideologies:panarabism
[edit]Tshiamo Nong
[edit]Actshy
[edit]Criticism of object-oriented programming
[edit]- Criticism of object-oriented programming → Object-oriented programming#Criticism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target section Object-oriented programming#Criticism does not exist in that form anymore, see this change. There are currently no incoming internal links. There is no relevant edit history at Criticism of object-oriented programming that would need to be preserved. Tea2min (talk) 09:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- It could link to Object-oriented programming#Popularity and reception, or just be deleted. My vote is delete. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathnerd314159: I already fixed the broken section anchor. Why is it better to delete it? Jarble (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- I just don't find it useful. It is not in use on-wiki and I don't think it is useful off-wiki either. I have plans to further restructure the OOP article and I don't think the effort to keep the anchor updated is worth it. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Surely I've read a lot of published criticisms of OOP programming in my comp-sci classes back in the day. Shouldn't we have a section on it? Fieari (talk) 07:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's really a topic for the article talk. But my original change (linked above) was removing the criticism section and integrating the criticisms into the article. It has been 9 months and nobody minded the section's absence. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Surely I've read a lot of published criticisms of OOP programming in my comp-sci classes back in the day. Shouldn't we have a section on it? Fieari (talk) 07:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I just don't find it useful. It is not in use on-wiki and I don't think it is useful off-wiki either. I have plans to further restructure the OOP article and I don't think the effort to keep the anchor updated is worth it. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathnerd314159: I already fixed the broken section anchor. Why is it better to delete it? Jarble (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to the Popularity and reception section per Mathnerd. Jay 💬 09:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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National Italian American Foundation
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(NPP action) An article at this title was deleted at AfD in 2020. Per WP:SOFTSP, interwiki redirects should not be made to other-language Wikipedias. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is the English language wikipedia, not the Italian. The Banner talk 17:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I can't actually find the claim that interwiki redirects should not be made to other-language Wikipedias at WP:SOFTSP. Why shouldn't they? Wouldn't a soft redirect be a good solution here? --Trovatore (talk) 02:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Trovatore: I think it's implied by
The plain {{soft redirect}} template should not be used in the mainspace. Instead, use one of the specialized templates (see below)
, and the fact that there is no {{Wikipedia redirect}} template. As for "why not": readers of the English Wikipedia are looking for English-language content. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)- The first is a little speculative — maybe the specialization is listed somewhere else, or maybe just no one's made it yet. That doesn't necessarily imply an active opposition to interlang redirects.
- As to the second, probably you didn't mean it this way, but that can be taken as almost insulting, the stereotype of the monolingual American/Brit/Aussie. The purpose of soft redirects is to help users find relevant content in sister projects, and I don't see why we wouldn't want to help them find it in other languages (whether those are technically "sister projects" is beside the point). --Trovatore (talk) 06:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, but said relevant content is locked behind a different wiki with (possibly) different quality standards and a different language. it's statistically not very likely that everyone who looks for something like this would coincidentally know english and italian. contrast to soft redirects to wiktionary as an example, which lead to the english wiktionary
- also, that second point didn't really make much sense. what's so insulting or stereotypical about wp-en readers wanting content in english? isn't that the entire reason they're not on wp-it? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wiktionary also has different inclusions standards from English Wikipedia — very different, seeing that it has a different purpose. Italian Wikipedia is at least closer than that. They're entitled to their own standards, but they're in the same general milieu; it's not like a random web link.
- Of course not everyone who looks this up is likely to know Italian, but given the topic, it seems likely that a fair number will, or will at least be able to puzzle it out.
- What's insulting is not assuming that they're looking for content in English, but that they're looking for content only in English. The fact that someone is looking in English Wikipedia provides no warrant to assume they're not interested in content in other languages as well. --Trovatore (talk) 19:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- unfortunately, betting on the chance of someone knowing that other language in the first place is, in the nicest way i can put it, lazy. for cases like this, there are some solutions i've seen
- returning to red
- including a red link, but also a link to an article in an appropriate language (mineirinho ultra adventures [pt]). haven't seen this outside of the touhou project infobox though, which means i haven't seen it in mainspace, so i'm not sure this would be a good idea
- creating an article lmao
- i am still inclined towards the first, since someone could create an article later on cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't "betting" on the user knowing Italian. Look, not everything in Wikipedia has to be useful to every user. For example, many technical articles are entirely useless to any reader who doesn't have a very strong technical background, and that's just fine, because Wikipedia is WP:MANYTHINGS. The fact that there's a well-written (though admittedly poorly sourced) Italian article on this topic should not be ignored; we should find some way to surface that to the reader who searches for this term. --Trovatore (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- method 2 is sounding really good right about now... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't "betting" on the user knowing Italian. Look, not everything in Wikipedia has to be useful to every user. For example, many technical articles are entirely useless to any reader who doesn't have a very strong technical background, and that's just fine, because Wikipedia is WP:MANYTHINGS. The fact that there's a well-written (though admittedly poorly sourced) Italian article on this topic should not be ignored; we should find some way to surface that to the reader who searches for this term. --Trovatore (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- unfortunately, betting on the chance of someone knowing that other language in the first place is, in the nicest way i can put it, lazy. for cases like this, there are some solutions i've seen
- @Trovatore: I think it's implied by
- Retarget to Italian Americans which has information about the organisation. Do not delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or modify somehow, not sure how, but the user searching this term should get some sort of indication that there is an it.wiki article. --Trovatore (talk) 21:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to a local target (per above), or delete (second choice; if consensus for a local target fails). Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful, and no other redirects to foreign language targets exist. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I sharply disagree with Godsy's assertion that "[s]ending readers to non-English content is not helpful". This does seem like a more general discussion, though. It might be worth bringing it up on the Village Pump. --Trovatore (talk) 17:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just pointing this out, WP:SRD does directly address this topic:
Soft redirects to non-English language editions of Wikipedia should be avoided because they are generally unhelpful to English-language readers. Instead, editors should link to the alternate language Wikipedia directly with one of various forms of interlanguage links.
I don't object to discussion about this guideline, but just clarifying that the discussion would be about reversing this guideline, not creating one. Tollens (talk) 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)- ...does this mean i was right about including a red link followed by an interlanguage one? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yep. The template {{ill}} will do it automatically too, and remove the link to the alternate language when an English version is created also. It's also used quite widely in mainspace. Tollens (talk) 04:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- ...does this mean i was right about including a red link followed by an interlanguage one? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just pointing this out, WP:SRD does directly address this topic:
- It seems we do severely disagree; I support the idea of speedily deleting such redirects. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, but you have not really said why; you've just made the unsupported assertion that they are "[s]ending readers to non-English content is not helpful". I don't think that's true. --Trovatore (talk) 05:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Our target readership is those who can read in English and all of our content is written on the assumption that the reader can read English. Redirects to foreign language Wikipedias are outside the scope of our target audience and discourage the creation of articles in English at those titles. The argument that 'such redirects are useful to some English readers and harmless to the others' would also apply if someone tried to insert foreign language passages into any of our articles. In regard to 'technical articles being beyond many readers comprehension,' it is our job to provide something they can read (not something they have as of yet the prior knowledge necessary to understand). Foreign language material is likely fundamentally inaccessible to a very large portion of our readers. Even when our readers do read a foreign language, we cannot anticipate which foreign language(s) they might be able to read. Anyone seeking to use machine translation (a novel predicament) can do so through location on their own accord (not our prerogative to encourage and we may not want to for many reasons). That aside: firstly, we have no selection criteria as to when, if ever, such a redirect would be appropriate as opposed to a redlink. Secondly, we have no criteria for which language should be chosen if an article exists in multiple other languages. Thirdly, sister projects naturally cover content we do not (this is why they exist) and we have stringent guidelines about when soft redirecting to them is appropriate; on the other hand, other language versions of Wikipedia have the same generalized scope as us (for a different language) but may vary wildly in their content policies (e.g. something reasonably covered there may likely never be appropriate here)—this is problematic as it creates a backdoor for pseudo-coverage of things not up to our standards. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Other languages are entitled to their own content policies, and really I think that ought to create an entry to surfacing them in searches on en.wiki. Especially in cases like this one, where the topic is "intuitively notable", but may not hit the exact criteria developed in the arcana of en.wiki notability "law".
- That the foreign-language content is "inaccessible to a very large portion of our readers" I don't see as a problem. That's also true for highly technical articles. The WP:MANYTHINGS essay is on point here. Note though that foreign languages are a bit more accessible to most readers than technical content, because of auto-translation.
- The question of which language to surface is indeed problematic in general (though for the article under discussion here it seems pretty clear), which is why I didn't !vote for a soft redirect exactly, but said that some solution should be found to surface the it.wiki article; I'm not sure exactly how. I've been noodling on it without a clear answer yet. --Trovatore (talk) 18:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I addressed the 'highly technical article' argument above. The 'auto-translation argument' (alluded to above) would also apply to importing machine translated foreign language articles; we have harsh restrictions against (
Raw or lightly edited machine translations have long been considered by the English Wikipedia community to be worse than nothing.
) it locally. Thus, we should not overtly encourage readers to use machine translation. The question of when is much greater than the question of which in my opinion. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 19:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)- OK, I missed your response to the "technical" argument. But I don't agree. I think someone with no knowledge of point-set topology trying to read our Stone–Čech compactification article would find it no easier than a monoglot reading something in a language close enough to English that they can recognize roots.
- Using machine translation to write articles is very different from using it to read them. I completely agree we should not do the former. Machine translation has gotten much better than I ever thought it would which to be honest I regret to some extent, as it reduces the apparent value of learning languages, an activity with great benefits beyond the obvious but it's nowhere near good enough to produce encyclopedic content by itself. But reading it is different — there you just need enough to be able to work your way through it.
- As to "when" we should surface foreign-language articles — why not always? If another WP has an article on the exact topic, I think we should make that known somehow to users searching for the term. (Again, I don't know exactly how. Maybe through teh search engine itself, which would require dev help.) --Trovatore (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- again, interlanguage link template. no need for a redirect with one of those bad boys around cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- On what page would you put the template? I could see inventing a new sort of navigational page that hosted specifically templates of that sort, but it would be a new innovation, not a classic disambig, not a classic soft redirect, something new entirely. I do think that might be worth considering. --Trovatore (talk) 20:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- the template is supposed to go where the redirect is currently linked, to replace it. of course, that'd make the search bar kind of useless, but that's an unavoidable issue when there's no info here cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- On what page would you put the template? I could see inventing a new sort of navigational page that hosted specifically templates of that sort, but it would be a new innovation, not a classic disambig, not a classic soft redirect, something new entirely. I do think that might be worth considering. --Trovatore (talk) 20:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- again, interlanguage link template. no need for a redirect with one of those bad boys around cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I addressed the 'highly technical article' argument above. The 'auto-translation argument' (alluded to above) would also apply to importing machine translated foreign language articles; we have harsh restrictions against (
- Our target readership is those who can read in English and all of our content is written on the assumption that the reader can read English. Redirects to foreign language Wikipedias are outside the scope of our target audience and discourage the creation of articles in English at those titles. The argument that 'such redirects are useful to some English readers and harmless to the others' would also apply if someone tried to insert foreign language passages into any of our articles. In regard to 'technical articles being beyond many readers comprehension,' it is our job to provide something they can read (not something they have as of yet the prior knowledge necessary to understand). Foreign language material is likely fundamentally inaccessible to a very large portion of our readers. Even when our readers do read a foreign language, we cannot anticipate which foreign language(s) they might be able to read. Anyone seeking to use machine translation (a novel predicament) can do so through location on their own accord (not our prerogative to encourage and we may not want to for many reasons). That aside: firstly, we have no selection criteria as to when, if ever, such a redirect would be appropriate as opposed to a redlink. Secondly, we have no criteria for which language should be chosen if an article exists in multiple other languages. Thirdly, sister projects naturally cover content we do not (this is why they exist) and we have stringent guidelines about when soft redirecting to them is appropriate; on the other hand, other language versions of Wikipedia have the same generalized scope as us (for a different language) but may vary wildly in their content policies (e.g. something reasonably covered there may likely never be appropriate here)—this is problematic as it creates a backdoor for pseudo-coverage of things not up to our standards. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, but you have not really said why; you've just made the unsupported assertion that they are "[s]ending readers to non-English content is not helpful". I don't think that's true. --Trovatore (talk) 05:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- It seems we do severely disagree; I support the idea of speedily deleting such redirects. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 09:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as above or delete. As above, current practice is to not have interwiki redirects to foreign languages. Tollens (talk) 23:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Lectka enantioselective beta-lactam synthesis
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[edit]Mêlée (engine)
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Not mentioned in the article it points to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I cannot find any mention of melee in the context of an engine. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This started as a stub where the first edit said:
The Mêlée Engine was a game engine developed by Toys for Bob.
. Jay 💬 08:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Melee (later "Super melee") was a game mode where you could fight without strategic gameplay. Not seeing it as an "engine". Cremastra ‹ u — c › 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Battle of Ulithi
[edit]Battle of Simara (1945)
[edit]- Battle of Simara (1945) → Battle of Leyte Gulf#Battle of the Sibuyan Sea (24 October 1944) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
"Simara" not mentioned anywhere at target, and the battle described at the target took place in 1944. There is a battle described at Corcuera#Modern history to which this may refer, but the term isn't used there either. Unless there is evidence this is a term in use, the fact this is disambiguated and the base name Battle of Simara does not currently exist suggests deletion may be best. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Should be Battle off Samar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telecineguy (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 20:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- That was part of Leyte Gulf and took place in October 1944, not 1945. Mdewman6 (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam
[edit]- Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam → November 2024 Amsterdam attack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Holocaust in the Netherlands, where actual pogroms happened, is a better target than a WP:RECENT football hooligan clash. मल्ल (talk) 16:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands or delete. The Hooligan clash which was instigated by the Israeli supporters who where chanting let the IDF win to fuck the Arabs has nothing to do with pogroms. M.Bitton (talk) 16:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands indeed, similar to the plural version of this redirect. Generally speaking a pogrom has to be initiated or at least condoned by local authorities, which even the most cynical amongst us couldn't say happened here. Smallangryplanet (talk) 16:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete "Pogrom" is not an established or a widely used term, looking at the coverage of this incident WP:RNEUTRAL. Retarget to the suggested article is also fine. — hako9 (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect as suggested, but I suggest adding a {{for}} hatnote (not a {{redirect}} hatnote, for language reasons) to that target. It is supposedly being used in prominent sources (and probably social media but I'm not on Twitter) to refer to the recent ethnic hooliganism, but I agree that it's inappropriate and insensitive to refer to this as a pogrom when actual state-sanctioned pogroms actually happened here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep - Redirects are navigation aids. With the target article saying that the President of Israel characterized the attack as a pogrom, that's sufficient to make it a reasonable search term. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- The purpose of the redirects is covered in WP:RPURPOSE. The President of Turkey characterized the president of Israel as a "genocidal murderer". Is that
sufficient to make it a reasonable search term
, and therefore, a redirect? M.Bitton (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)- Your analogy doesn't apply. Per WP:BLP, it would be inappropriate to put into the biographical article on the President of Israel the personal attacks that some other world leader made (although it would be appropriate to say that he has been criticized). Likewise, we do not put into biographical articles all the insulting "nicknames" that Trump has given all his political opponents.
- In the case of this redirect in question, the target article specifically has the term "pogrom" in the article, and there are no WP:BLP concerns.
- It's somewhat bewildering that this is not obvious, and I need to explain it. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 06:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's somewhat bewildering that you missed the obvious point: the president of Israel is not a reliable source for such a statement. His irrelevant opinion can be attributed to him, but that's about it. M.Bitton (talk) 14:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RS does not apply to redirects. The question about redirects is whether it's a plausible search term. The fact that the President of Israel called it a Pogrom, and it's in the article, makes it a plausible search term. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's somewhat bewildering that you missed the obvious point: the president of Israel is not a reliable source for such a statement. His irrelevant opinion can be attributed to him, but that's about it. M.Bitton (talk) 14:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- The purpose of the redirects is covered in WP:RPURPOSE. The President of Turkey characterized the president of Israel as a "genocidal murderer". Is that
- Preferably delete, the usage of pogrom seems to be isolated to biased sources and should be avoided for obvious WP:NPOV concerns. I think a retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands would only work if it is retarged to something specific on that page. Esolo5002 (talk) 08:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep. What happened yesterday in Amsterdam was characterized by reliable sources as a pogrom. This is stated in the lede of the target. What happened in the Netherlands during the Holocaust was mass-murder of Jews, but not a pogrom or a sequence of pogroms. In fact, that article does not mention pogroms and never uses the word.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Have any of the WP:RSP described this as a pogrom in their own voice? — hako9 (talk) 11:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands or delete.
- When I was a fresh-faced disambiguator, I came across an ambiguous link to a place in modern Belarus. I identified it.
- The very next problem was identical. I solved that too.
- The third one was the same, and I solved it as well.
- At that point, I took a break, because for some reason I was unable to focus properly and was swearing uncontrollably. One of those three places, obliterated in the early 1940s, is commemorated by an engraved stone in the ground. The other two are not.
- Calling the recent incident in Amsterdam a "pogrom" is an insult to all those who were victims of actual pogroms. FWIW, I have no Jewish heritage. Narky Blert (talk) 15:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy and Strong Keep - What happened in Amsterdam was horrific and it needs to be reflected as such. It has been described as a pogram and that's because it was one. MaskedSinger (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to try to say this as charitably as possible, but as someone whose relatives have had to flee actual pogroms during WW2, I feel I do need to say it:
- I find this comparison, made by heads of state or politicians and now defended by you, incredibly insensitive, deeply upsetting, and bordering, itself, on antisemitism, given how profoundly, by association, it minimizes the horrors of anti-Jewish pogroms and relativizes the atrocities of those that carried out pogroms. Especially now that it's become increasingly apparent the Israeli fans engaged in behavior that could itself, at best, be described as monstrous bigotry and cheers for ethnic cleansing.
- Either way, while I wanted to share how offensive I think this comparison actually is, I'm aware my feelings on the subject matter little. The only question that should be considered here is: per RNEUTRAL, is this term one that's been established by reliable sources to have due weight and therefore meets the criteria for NPOV redirects? I don't have an answer to that myself as I haven't looked at the proportion of sources that use the term, but I think that's what should be focused on here. LaughingManiac (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LaughingManiac How is calling it a pogrom bordering on antisemitism? MaskedSinger (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- I said what I said and have laid out my reasons for saying it already. Take it or leave it at that. LaughingManiac (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LaughingManiac How is calling it a pogrom bordering on antisemitism? MaskedSinger (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A very quick Google search demonstrates that the term “Amsterdam pogrom” and “pogrom in Amsterdam” are being widely used to describe the article topic. This strikes me a reasonable search term; I personally used the redirect to initially find the article. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC) EDIT: under wikipedia:RNEUTRAL we are permitted to use non-neutral redirect titles and are in fact given extra leeway because redirects are less visible to readers. Given that the the term has been frequently used in reliable sources and given that it is a reasonable search term for readers to utilize, I really do not see a justification to delete. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 23:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget or just delete - the reliable sources used in the article which I spot-checked do not describe this event as a pogrom; at most they quote Israeli officials doing so. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 02:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The sources are not describing this as a pogrom. Netanyahu is not a reliable source for what this article should be called. Parabolist (talk) 11:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete An unfortunate event with poor behavior all around does not meet the definition of a progrom. If someone has called it that that can be reflected in the article text but we shouldn't be saying it was one. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 02:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete or redirect as suggested. Not a pogrom, though there was violence against Jews. Natg 19 (talk) 21:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 04:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands. This feels like another case of WP:RECENTISM. 67.209.128.164 (talk) 08:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget WP:RECENTISM in full swing. Lavalizard101 (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands per Ymblanter. The segregation and deportation of Jews in the Netherlands was a gradual and meticulous process. The holocaust article also has no redirects or incoming links from articles having "pogrom' in the title. If a president naming a recent incident as a pogrom, is irrelevant opinion, a group of Wikipedia editors characterizing the Holocaust in the Netherlands as comprising of a pogrom, is not any less. But if we have other redirects titled "pogrom" targeting holocaust articles where "pogrom" is not mentioned, or pogroms didn't happen, then I would like to look at those, and possibly reconsider. Jay 💬 08:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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- What is the connection from this discussion and the one at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 25 on the same redirect? Liz Read! Talk! 07:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- It is not the same redirect. The one at the November 25 page - the plural Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam, was nominated when its target the singular Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam, was an article. The singular was BLARd around 5 hours after the first nomination, and it was nominated (current redirect under discussion) another 5 hours later, and it was too late to bundle them together. Jay 💬 08:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or, alternatively, retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands which covers actual pogroms. This is classic WP:RECENTISM and the article was originally created as a WP:POVFORK. - Ïvana (talk) 02:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 05:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)- Can you point me to where The Holocaust in the Netherlands covers actual pogroms? Jay 💬 16:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – The Holocaust in the Netherlands does not appear to cover pogroms, and the use of this to 'November 2024 Amsterdam attacks' is a massive neutrality violation.
- TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Cite AV media
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Raleway
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[edit]Virose
[edit]Portuguese for virus, or a uncommon adjective in English meaning poisonous or fetid. Delete? Plantdrew (talk) 01:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This link gets a hit once every three to four days, and if that's people looking for the English definition of virose then a soft redirect to wikt:virose could be appropriate, but if it's people looking for virus in Portuguese then it would better to delete as there's no particular affinity between the language and the topic. I'd lean delete as I'd rather not guess and search results has a Wiktionary link anyways. ― Synpath 15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete no particular affinity with the Portuguese language --Lenticel (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- eh... sort of. it's actually portuguese for "virosis", but no one really cares about the difference. that aside, delete, as i still haven't found any evidence of brazil's existence, much less of viruses and virosises having any particular affinity with it or portugal cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Forked Decision Path Well, this all depends on why people are accessing this page every 3-4 days. If they're looking for a definition of the English term virose, then soft redirect to wikt:virose. If, on the other hand, they're looking for virus in Portugese, then delete due to WP:FORRED Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Soft Retarget to wikt:virose to give the benefit of the doubt to what the significant number of users are looking for. Fieari (talk) 06:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Soft Retarget per WP:FORRED. In the other case, Virose is an uncommon word and the users may be looking for a defintiion. Ca talk to me! 12:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
South Georgia (version 2)
[edit]Alex Shrub
[edit]- Alex Shrub → Grand Theft Auto: Vice City#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- But mentioned at List of fictional politicians#Congresspeople. Jay 💬 18:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link to the redirect; it has had 5 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Fpoon
[edit]This is terminology that was created primarily from a Key & Peele sketch. Searching for "fpoon" brings up exclusively K&P related videos and the urban dictionary citing them. While this might be a portmanteau of "fork" and "spoon", this is not a widely accepted or cited synonym, and is not mentioned at the target. The common and non-confusing name for this subject is "spork"; a lack of pageviews indicate that "fpoon" may be a novel and obscure synonym for the subject, and is likely to confuse readers. Especially so as "fpoon" is not a real word, or particularly grammatical. People who use this term may very well be looking for the Continental Breakfast K&P sketch, lol. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I do know Key & Peele are hardly the first to come up with this portmanteau. My Elementary School came up with this term (to roarous laughter) sometime in the mid 2000's, significantly predating Key & Peele's coining, and I would have to guess we got it from somewhere just as they did. Conceptually, the jump to a inverted portmanteau is pretty simple, and while it may not be a word I draw serious issues with litigating the legitimacy of a word in a Wikipedia RfD log. Considering there is no central authority for accepted language in English, the fact that Googling the term provides several results (no mater how focused on one subject they may be) is, I think, enough of a reason to say it is a word. Beyond all of that, fpoon is no more grammatical then spork, we're just used to spork. (yes, the fp is not a frequently found constant grouping in English, but novel use of a constant group is hardly cause to call something not a word, if it was than vroom, vlog, dreamt, and bulb are all in trouble (vr, vl, mt, and lb respectively)). Foxtrot620 (talk) 14:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete "It's funny" and "people have come up with it before" are not valid arguments to retain the redirect. There has to be some evidence of common usage to refer to sporks in that way, which there isn't. See also WP:NOTNEO for more details. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep. Meh, it's a somewhat plausible {{R from incorrect name}}, and its existence potentially prevents this title from being recreated. (That, and I doubt that the invention of a fork with a spoon-like end, like a handle, four-prong with three holes, then curved end, which is what I picture a "fpoon" being, makes any sense to invent.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)- Delete. Just realized I'm actually thinking of the more likely search term "foon", which is a redirect to a different target that has a hatnote referring readers to Spork. This nominated redirect is nonsense due to the inclusion of the "p". Steel1943 (talk) 16:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I'm shocked foon doesn't redirect to spork, as I've definitely heard that one a lot. Fpoon doesn't seem far off from that, and I don't really think the target is ambiguous... surely Key and Peele aren't the only ones to have ever used the term. Fieari (talk) 04:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Fieari: I was thinking the same thing about Foon ... and I'm thinking per WP:DIFFCAPS, I agree with your shockedness and am considering retargeting or starting an RFD. Steel1943 (talk) 05:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 00:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If this were plausible for any utensil, it would be a spoon with long s, i.e. ſpoon. Even then I don't think it useful; we shouldn't go around creating "f" redirects for every word with an initial or medial "s" merely because someone might confuse an old long-s spelling with an f-spelling. fpork wouldn't make sense for the current target even with a long-s, especially since the long s fell out of favour before the spork was invented in 1874. Nyttend (talk) 23:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or soft redirect to wikt:fpoon. Enix150 (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to wiktionary for now - if the entry there fails verification then we'll have our answer and it will be G8-ed. Otherwise we'll have our answer than it's a rare but present nickname and it will point somewhere than actually mentions the term. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)- Weak keep If foon exists as a humorous term for spork, then surely fpoon wouldn't be that much different? Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link to the redirect; it has had 6 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
FC8671
[edit]Yoshi's Island series villains
[edit]Fado (character)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 7#Fado (character)
Wokingham Town
[edit]Izzle O' Wizzle
[edit]Benzema 15
[edit]Barotrauma and Wind turbines
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 7#Barotrauma and Wind turbines
WP:NOTWIKIA and WP:NOTFANDOM
[edit]Headwaters Country Jam
[edit]Not mentioned in target article or rest of Wikipedia. Delete. Retarget per below -1ctinus📝🗨 23:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Needs more consensus
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- Retarget to Cardwell, Montana, where I've added a mention. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Looks like it's a music festival held in Three Forks, Montana, so a mention there could be added. However, there is some sourcing on the festival, so WP:REDYES could apply. मल्ल (talk) 16:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Presidentman's addition seems like a trivial passing mention to me. If someone asks: "Does Wikipedia have relevant content related to Headwaters Country Jam?" I think the answer is "no". I don't think the Cardwell, Montana would be improved by further additions related to this subject. Daask (talk) 10:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If others found sources that could be used to create an article, I'm fine with deleting. I added the mention because I felt the redirect was worth keeping in some form, but there didn't look like enough significant coverage for an article based on my searches. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- The mention added to Cardwell, Montana, was in the lead. I have moved it down to a section. I think in the absence of a contextual mention in any other article, this redirect should be retargeted per Presidentman. If there is more information about the festival to be added, with regards to Cardwell as the host, I'm sure a paragraph can be added. Jay 💬 17:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect has had 10 page views in the 90 days before the RFD; no pages current link there. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Macchar
[edit]HAL America
[edit]Argufying
[edit]Looking at wikt:argufy, this term has more to do with disputes and disagreements than a series of sentences, statements, or propositions some of which are called premises and one is the conclusion.
But I can't find an appropriate place to retarget it – apparently, we don't have an article on the general concept of disputes. (Disagreement (epistemology) and Objection (argument) are far too specific and theoretical, Dissent is only about disputes against authority, and Controversy is about a broad public state of affairs.) Another possibility is to target William Empson, who wrote Argufying: Essays on Literature and Culture (1987). jlwoodwa (talk) 06:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Idk, i just made it since it was a synonym. CheeseyHead (talk) 09:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link to the redirect; it has had 7 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Template:Use Myanmar English
[edit]Template:Country data Government of East Pakistan
[edit]Main Line Railway Preservation
[edit]- Main Line Railway Preservation → Main line railway preservation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unnecessary capitalization of a two-sentence article that I had merged into a related article. MimirIsSmart (talk) 03:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- keep {{R from incorrect capitalization}} -- Title-Case capitalization would be an expected form to be able to be redirected if there is no proper noun topic otherwise -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the original article already has a low amount of links in other articles, I don't believe it would be of much use anyway. MimirIsSmart (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep None of the criteria at WP:R#DELETE apply here. See also WP:CHEAP --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Conservation and restoration of rail vehicles, which is presumably what is meant above. Given the legitimacy of Main line railway preservation, and the fact that this is capitalised in a way which makes sense, keeping it seems fine. – Michael Aurel (talk) 13:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link to the redirect; it has had no page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Make Me Look Good
[edit]Capture and replay testing
[edit]Multivariant testing
[edit]- Multivariant testing → Software testing#A/B testing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Term not at target; term is mentioned at Software testing tactics and A/B testing, but could seemingly refer to any of the topics at Multivariate testing (disambiguation). Not sure what's best here. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to A/B testing. While the page doesn't contain the word "multivariant", this is clearly the concept being described, and I don't see why it would be preferable to link to a two-sentence summary of the article, rather than the article itself. While I think "multivariant" can be used as a synonym of "multivariate" sometimes in mathematical contexts, the latter is considerably more common I think (cf. [29]), and Hotelling's T-squared distribution, the current target of Multivariate testing, does not use such language. The user experience topic also appears to be the most prominent among search results for the phrase. – Michael Aurel (talk) 12:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Tradespace currently links to the redirect, which has had 6 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Positive and negative test cases
[edit]- Positive and negative test cases → Software testing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Doesn't seem specific to software testing, and the term is not described there. A better target may be test case, but it still might be a bit WP:XYish. Negative test is a disambiguation page; positive test redirects to Medical test#Positive or negative. Not sure what's best here. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC) Note this redirect is the result of a single line stub that was immediately redirected. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The addition of the word 'cases' makes this an XY at best. With how ambiguous this redirect is it's best to just get rid of it. I am neutral to moving its history somewhere else. mwwv converse∫edits 13:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Reading through False positives and false negatives, which discusses tests that can be falsely negative or falsely positive, they would be a form of Binary classification in general. I was thinking in a DAB, but these concepts are very similar to each other, except for the software tests, which also adds Stress testing (software), linked in the negative test dab. LIrala (talk) 23:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link to the redirect, which has had 4 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Hallelujah night
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 7#Hallelujah night
List of killings by law enforcement officers in Sri Lanka
[edit]Fox (channel)
[edit]- Fox (channel) → Fox (international) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Fox Channel → Fox Broadcasting Company (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Looking at the page histories of both titles, the contents using the redirect title here at RFD later evolved to its current target. I'm listing this here for a fresh discussion of its either possible deletion or re-targeting/redirection. Intrisit (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Fox Channel should redirect to the same place (it currently doesn't) so I've added it to this nomination. Fox (British and Irish TV channel) isn't currently mentioned at Fox (disambiguation) although it presumably should be. Wherever it targets there should be a hatnote to Foxe Channel. Thryduulf (talk) 00:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Set index. There are, I've discovered, lots of channels called Fox and more previously called Fox, including (and this is incomplete): Fox (British and Irish TV channel), Fox (Asian TV channel), Fox (German TV channel), Fox (African TV channel), Fox (Norwegian TV channel), Fox (Italian TV channel) and Fox (Hungarian TV channel). Fox8. Then there are various ones named Fox Life, Fox Sports, Fox Filipino, etc. We don't seem to have a single list of them that I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Setindexify per Thryduulf. All these channels should be assembled in a list, since these terms can refer to any of them. Regards, SONIC678 18:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Setindexify per Thryduulf. Good find. --Lenticel (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Setindexify "Fox Channel" in most contexts refers to one of the international Fox general-entertainment pay channels. The sheer number of them demands this outcome. And a lot of U.S. channels over the years that Fox started could qualify (from Fox News to Fox Sports 1). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- SIA. It's more reasonable to have a SIA here than to have an ordinary dab page or to point this to any particular entity. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Anyone feel like drafting a set index? * Pppery * it has begun... 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This would end up being a complicated index to create. Is anyone up for the challenge?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Setindexify per Thryduulf and others supporters for final decision. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 04:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Uncomfiness
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 7#Uncomfiness
Wading bird(s)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 7#Wading bird(s)
Maria, Hilfe der Christen
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 8#Maria, Hilfe der Christen
Luigi Circuit
[edit]Coconut Mall
[edit]Rising And Setting Of The Sun
[edit]Kid named Finger
[edit]some regional honeys
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 6#some regional honeys
Club Penguin Locations
[edit]Club penquin
[edit]Gary the gadget guy
[edit]Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Employment and Women
[edit]4 (album) by matisse
[edit]WP:DICK
[edit]2024 VP Debate
[edit]Musha-gaeshi
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#Musha-gaeshi
Zubon
[edit]from ズボン (zubon), japanese for... trousers. no particular affinity with japanese. it's a chain of like 4 borrowed words, wow cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Zubon as trousers is covered at List of gairaigo and wasei-eigo terms;; Mike Zubon is listed at Chief Scientist of the United States Air Force;; The "zubon" used in martial arts schools is covered at Keikogi -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- on the topic of the relisting, the pre-blar diff was an unsourced stub. really, nothing worth considering in this discussion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
3.1415926535…
[edit]The Communiqué
[edit]Taiyu
[edit]- Taiyu → Taiwanese language (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Táiyu → Taiwanese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tai yü → Southern Min (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tai-yü → Dream of the Red Chamber (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to Taiwanese Hokkien. While "Taiyu" (臺語 台语 táiyǔ) literally translates to Taiwanese language, it is almost unambiguously used to mean Taiwanese Hokkien in Chinese. In the English Wikipedia, it is also the name of a temple (Taiyū-ji) and a village (Taiyū, Akita), so delete could also be the best course of action. 三葉草 San Yeh Tsao 22:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment bundling Táiyu, Tai yü, and Tai-yü, which all have different targets and should probably be consistent with Taiyu (or should point to Taiyu if it gets turned into a separate disambiguation page). 59.149.117.119 (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Create a disambiguation page at Tai Yu and list the uses there. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget Táiyu to Taiwanese Hokkien, as there is no other reasonable target (similarly, zh:台语 redirects to zh:臺灣話). "Táiyu" is not a plausible spelling for Lin Daiyu or for the Japanese topics. For Taiyu, I would suggest a disambiguation page listing Taiwanese Hokkien, Taiyū, Akita, Lin Daiyu, and Taiyū-ji. For Tai yü and Tai-yü, I lean towards targeting the disambiguation page due to the ambiguity between Taiwanese Hokkien and Lin Daiyu. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Fork Knife
[edit]Forkknife
[edit]Likely originated as a joke redirect, but unclear target as is (fork or knife?). Recommending deletion, as it does not benefit Wikipedia. TNstingray (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
KeepThe creator, Sandstein, explained the reasoning on the redirect page:The use of the name "fork knife" has been reported [30].
Ca talk to me! 15:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)- It is also a plausible mondegreen. Ca talk to me! 15:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per Masem, Redirect to Fortnite Battle Royale, where it is mentioned. I struggle to see how redirecting a to a linguistics article with the term as a passing example is helpful. We don't have redirects like breakhead(literal translation of Spanish word rompecabeza) targetting puzzle. Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, Forkknife (without a space) unambigously refers to the fortnite meme. Ca talk to me! 09:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Dvandva, where it's a literal translation of an example term. The reference to fortnite is unmentioned, and I expect anyone who wants information about that will be left at a loss, since the article has none, making the redirect inappropriate. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 19:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link here; there have been 33 page views in the past 90 days (16 on November 21). Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note that Fork Knife was redirected to Knife and Fork at the recently concluded WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Fork Knife. Jay 💬 16:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect: Per Jay, there is another redirect Fork Knife was discussed and concluded as retarget on WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Fork Knife. Now as there is another redirect related to such is available, this should go the same way. Also the creators claim is not a vulnerable fact cause Fork Knife was also like that.––kemel49(connect)(contri) 03:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
019
[edit]Heavy vehicle
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 5#Heavy vehicle
Camión
[edit]Lymbriciform
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 5#Lymbriciform
antiwhatever, helminth
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 5#antiwhatever, helminth
Worms, animals
[edit]Bo Hagon
[edit]Talk:FC Porto-Sporting CP rivalry
[edit]Talk:F.C. Porto-Sporting CP rivalry
[edit]Talk:F.C. Porto and Sporting C.P. rivalry
[edit]F.C. Porto and Sporting C.P. rivalry
[edit]F.C. Porto–Sporting CP rivalry
[edit]FC Porto-Sporting CP rivalry
[edit]F.C Porto and Sporting C.P. rivalry
[edit]Specialization in bees
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 5#Specialization in bees
floor sugar
[edit]Fireworks (TV Series)
[edit]Maha Abdelrahman
[edit]BreakThrough News
[edit]Stephen Hume
[edit]Clarissa: Or the History of A Young
[edit]The History of a Young Girl
[edit]National Kabaddi Association
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#National Kabaddi Association
Personal weapon
[edit]Mex-Mex
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 5#Mex-Mex
Oberon in fiction
[edit]Sunny country
[edit]September 2017 bridge incident
[edit]⚭/equaric unicodes
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#⚭/equaric unicodes
Cilla Single
[edit]- Cilla Single → Benjamin Franklin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Can't find where Ben Frank ever used this as a pseudonym. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).
- Unsure at the moment. A Google search for this term doesn't bring up anything showing how it's related Benjamin Franklin (neither does one for both this term and "Benjamin Franklin"), and mostly talks about stuff relating to Cilla Black or Cilla The Musical. I'm not sure of the connection either, but Rich Farmbrough, who created this redirect, might know. Regards, SONIC678 01:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find a shred of evidence that this name has any association to the target whatsoever. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I've added a reference to the redirect. Ben Franklin had a lot of pen names, as did Daniel Defoe. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 19:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
- Which I've reverted, since you removed the RFD tag, and it should be either here or on the talk page of the redirect, or both. I did check it, and there's no mention on the page you gave, but there is a few pages later. It's a single bare listing, with no context or corroboration. Given that no one else has been able to able to verify this, I'm dubious of the reliability of the source, and if nothing else, the usefulness. Furthermore, given how many other entries from this book you've created, it would seem to be a mass creation in violation of your current editing restrictions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is not a mass creation contrary to Rich's editing restrictions. @35.139.154.158: your repeated references to Rich's restrictions where they definitely don't apply is bordering on harassment at this point. Knock it off.
- Rich, adding references to redirects is odd, readers typically don't see the content of redirects. Is there a way to add this information to the article instead? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Eh, fine. My points about the redirect itself though still stand. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- The reference is not for readers, it's for RfD regulars. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
- Which I've reverted, since you removed the RFD tag, and it should be either here or on the talk page of the redirect, or both. I did check it, and there's no mention on the page you gave, but there is a few pages later. It's a single bare listing, with no context or corroboration. Given that no one else has been able to able to verify this, I'm dubious of the reliability of the source, and if nothing else, the usefulness. Furthermore, given how many other entries from this book you've created, it would seem to be a mass creation in violation of your current editing restrictions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment surprisingly (to me) this seems to be attested despite very limited online hits: Franklin, Benjamin; Smyth, Albert H. (1905). The writings of Benjamin Franklin. New York, London: Macmillan Co.; Macmillan & Co. OCLC 1158474884. Retrieved 2024-11-28. (on page 186). I'm very unsure how someone would end up searching for this term without knowing it was a pseudonym of Franklin's however.
- This may be added to the target at the "Success as an author" section where it says
He frequently wrote under pseudonyms.
If we have 3 or 4 names, Cilla Single can be mentioned alongwith them. Jay 💬 06:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Benjamin Franklin (swim coach)
[edit]2024 AP Poll
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#2024 AP Poll
Unmentioned Pikmin 2 caves
[edit]- Hole of Heroes → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Glutton's Kitchen → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Submerged Castle → Pikmin 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These caves aren't mentioned in the target article (and weren't at the time the Hole of Heroes one, which was always a redirect, was created). As for the other two, they began as articles on their respective caves (see here and here for what the articles looked like before they were turned into redirects) until Combination redirected them to the main article in November 2006 (when they actually were mentioned before Abryn removed them with this edit in October 2008 to trim down the page) because, in their summary for the Submerged Castle one, there [was] absolutely no reason for this to be kept separate from the Pikmin 2 article
. Unlike Dream Den, which is worth keeping because that cave actually is mentioned in the article and has plot relevance, I'm not sure we need to keep these redirects when their respective caves aren't mentioned in the target article. Regards, SONIC678 01:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget castle to Saga Castle, Delete the other two. Glutton's Kitchen's unsourced page content in the history is not important as game cruft. Jay 💬 06:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:
- No pages currently link to Hole of Heroes; it received 4 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened.
- No pages currently link to Glutton's Kitchen; it received 3 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened.
- No pages currently link to Submerged Castle; it received 2 page views in the 90 days before the RFD opened.
- Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
DuPage 3
[edit]- DuPage 3 → DuPage County, Illinois (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Du Page 3 → DuPage County, Illinois (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Group of neighborhoods previously WP:BLARd no longer mentioned in target article. Delete unless it is mentioned somewhere else. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Maybe Illinois = Ill = III = 3? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
- No, this is from the article before the merger:
The Du Page 3 refers to the Chicago suburbs of Burr Ridge, Hinsdale, and Oak Brook.
Not mentioned in the article. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is from the article before the merger:
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- Delete to add to the comment above, possibly related to Illinois's 3rd congressional district? Perhaps also a county district: map of District 3 on the DuPage county website? Either way, completely not obvious as neither are valid targets, so delete is more appropriate.Shazback (talk) 16:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was not a BLAR, it was merged, and I have tagged DuPage 3 as an {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 06:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: No pages currently link to DuPage 3; it has had 7 page views in the 90 days prior to the RFD. No pages currently link to Du Page 3; it had 2 page views in the 90 days before the RFD.
Thank Goodness
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#Thank Goodness
Athletic Field (Seattle)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 4#Athletic Field (Seattle)
Cicindela redirects
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 3#Cicindela redirects
Trump Won
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 3#Trump Won
Paw, Paw
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 3#Paw, Paw
Easy and cheap
[edit]WP:INTERNETPROCTOL
[edit]MeTV Plus
[edit]Swing the hairy ones
[edit]...Re
[edit]...Re (film) was moved away from this title after a March 2016 discussion; a followup April 2016 RfD ended without consensus. It was then boldly retargeted to the disambiguation page Re in May 2016, with an explanation on the talk page, but this was reverted in 2018. I personally think it should redirect to Re (or else the film should be moved back to this title), for the reasons laid out at WP:MISPLACED, but the history here is complicated enough that I want to make sure there's consensus for this change. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Move the film here at it appears to be the only thing called this per WP:SMALLDETAILS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Either Move ...Re (film) back to ...Re (in which case, a hatnote to the dab page will suffice), or move ...Re (film) to Re (film), if you're not happy with the stylization being a part of either the article title or the running text. In either case, the current redirect should point to the film as an apparently typical stylization at the very least, and since nothing on the dab page would be prepended with 3 dots. The current situation is silly. If the current redirect is pointing to the film, then the film should be sitting at the base title. I don't really understand how the move discussion came to the conclusion it did. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment –We shouldn't be moving a page based purely on an RfD discussion that goes against a previous RM. If people want the film moved to this title, an RM should be started. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural close per Cremastra. Most of the time, we perform moves at RfD, but this appears to have RM history, which should ideally go through RM. Jay 💬 11:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
CTTOI
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 8#CTTOI
Andrew Gower (programmer)
[edit]Trim level
[edit]Adimo
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Giant ground sloth
[edit]Tradiční Lovecký salám
[edit]lovecký salám (hunting salami, apparently) is mentioned in the article, but not necessarily its "traditional" variant. has incoming links, but their classification as traditional seems to be unsourced and not necessarily correct cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- should mention that lovecký salám already exists, so the links could easily be fixed, if any fixing needs to be done cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Lovecký salám was applied for as a EU Traditional Speciality Guaranteed-product (TSG). That means that -in order to use the name- all products in the EU have to be produced according to the specs provided in the application. following opposition, the name Tradiční Lovecký salám was accepted as a TSG (see here). That means that one can use the name Lovecký salám without regards to what the product looks like, but Tradiční Lovecký salám is subject to the characteristics in the description. The name is therefore worth a redirect as people may be interested and this is the closest page we can offer. Having said that, the current characterisation of Lovecký salám as a TSG i incorrect; and I will change that. An alternative is redirecting to List of traditional specialities guaranteed by country, but for me that feels too generic... L.tak (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- L.tak has provided a lot of useful information
, but that should have been in the article. Delete per nom, if the target doesn't say what the redirect term is. Jay 💬 20:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per L.tak's changes. Thanks. Jay 💬 07:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- corrected the page now in line with what I stated. Thanks for bringing the oversight to my attention. L.tak (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Mortazza
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Openptail g
[edit]Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam
[edit]- Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam → November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect doesn't direct to a pogrom -- haminoon (talk) 06:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, pogrom = Riot, given that there were assaults, it could be assumed that there are riots in the area. For the record, there is currently a discussion on the target article's talk page about moving to November 2024 Amsterdam attacks. ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Struck per WP:ARBPIA's extendedconfirmed restriction. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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- merge what little there is, place a redirect if really necessary, but I think due to how general the title is, that due to WP:RECENT within a few months it will be back here to be deleted due to lack of precision. TiggerJay (talk) 08:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and merge, as many RS call it this way:
- The Jerusalem Post (1, 2, 3, 4)
- The Times of Israel (1, 2, 3, 4)
- Reuters (1 - quote)
- JSN (1)
- New York Post] (1 - quote)
- The New York Sun (1, 2)
- BBC (1, 2, 3)
- Israel Hayom (1)
- Arutz Sheva (1, 2)
- The Jewish Chronicle (1)
- The Spectator (1)
- The Forward (1)
- Ynet (1)
- The Jewish Press (1)
- Newsmax (1, 2)
- Legal Insurrection (1)
- Townhall (1)
- Israel Today (1)
- And more.
- With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- The vast majority of these sources are not calling it a pogrom in their own voice and are simply quoting people describing the event as such, or just mention it in the headline (WP:HEADLINES). The only sources that are asserting it was a pogrom are 6: Townhall (WP:MREL), Legal insurrection (not a RS, looks like a glorified blog), Israel National News (not a RS, it's an Israeli Zionist media network), NYSun (a conservative news website known for dishonest reporting), a blog from ToI (WP:NEWSBLOG) and finally, and unsurprisingly, Jpost (not precisely known for fact checking and currently under discussion re: their reliability). - Ïvana (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands, would be much more proper than a WP:RECENT football hooligan riot. (Same as the singular redirect.)
- I didn't understand this RFD because the redirect under discussion here, Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam, pointed to a different article, November 2024 Amsterdam attacks so I reverted that edit. But the target article mentioned here, Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam is another redirect, not an article. So, this discussion needs to be withdrawn or reorganized because right now it doesn't make sense. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Put on hold. As long as the singular title exists as a redirect, there's no possible reason to treat this separately from it; any retargeting there should be performed here too. If the singular gets deleted, this should be deleted too — no good reason to delete singular and keep plural. And if anything else happens to the singular (e.g. converted to disambiguation page), this should remain a redirect there, since it's 100% related and wouldn't be a double redirect. Nyttend (talk) 23:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz and Nyttend: The Pogrom redirect had been correctly tagged already, but I've updated the listing above to include both. @Smallangryplanet and Unknown Temptation: You are the only commenters whose !votes seem like they might be different for Pogrom rather than Pogroms, so pinging you in case you'd like to comment further. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have reverted the listing of the Pogrom redirect here to avoid confusion. The singular is already being discussed at the November 24 page, and a duplicate listing here could prompt new/existing participants to start voting on that. Smallangryplanet already has the same opinion in both discussions. Participants who wish to discuss the singular can do so at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam. Jay 💬 07:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz and Nyttend: The Pogrom redirect had been correctly tagged already, but I've updated the listing above to include both. @Smallangryplanet and Unknown Temptation: You are the only commenters whose !votes seem like they might be different for Pogrom rather than Pogroms, so pinging you in case you'd like to comment further. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands. Let's get real here. I don't know the ins and outs of what happened in Amsterdam the other night. What I do know is that it did not kill three quarters of the Jews of the Netherlands. [31] If Greek or Armenian football fans were to be non-fatally attacked in modern Istanbul, that is obviously not the primary idea of anti-Greek/Armenian pogroms in Istanbul Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete or, alternatively, retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands which covers actual pogroms. This is classic WP:RECENTISM and the article it was originally redirected to was created as a WP:POVFORK. - Ïvana (talk) 02:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can you point me to where The Holocaust in the Netherlands covers actual pogroms? Jay 💬 07:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
LGBT in Chile
[edit]Next Singaporean presidential election
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Next Singaporean presidential election
Atlantoöccipital articulations
[edit]Ap (ghost)
[edit]Big Bank Black
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The Scream (Greek TV miniseries)
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Under-16 and Under-17 teams
[edit]2026 NFL team redirects
[edit]Recent
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Template:NWHL profile
[edit]King Edwards
[edit]AR-M100390
[edit]Bus Testing and Research Center
[edit]- Bus Testing and Research Center → Pennsylvania Transportation Institute (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Quite ambiguous title not discussed at target. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 15:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Keep There's an entire section on this in the article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)- I think the inversion of "testing" and "research" is a small but important difference. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oops. Good catch. I'm fine with deletion then. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Kind of a dumb mistake on my part, thanks for pointing it out! 42-BRT (talk) 05:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think the inversion of "testing" and "research" is a small but important difference. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- The article does discuss the Altoona Bus Testing and Research Center, which is a part of the Pennsylvania Transportation Institute which is frequently mentioned in articles discussing public transit. Perhaps it'd be better to redirect from Altoona Bus Testing and Research Center. 42-BRT (talk) 05:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that would be unambiguous. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Template:Puffery inline
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Illustrative aid
[edit]Field hockey at the 2028 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament
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Algeria national under-16 and under-17 basketball team
[edit]Adult Swim (Latin American TV channel).
[edit]2024–25 Pilipinas Super League season
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Marie Stopes Myanmar
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Marie Stopes Myanmar
Taxi to Heaven
[edit]Ultrajectine Communion
[edit]Mate tea (drink)
[edit]2025 Dutch general election
[edit]- 2025 Dutch general election → Elections in the Netherlands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no election planned in 2025 Dajasj (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to Elections in the Netherlands#2023 general election. According to 2023 Dutch general election, that election was expected to take place in 2025 but was called early on short notice, so this is a very plausible search term. I've added a summary to the target article that explains this. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would then be more sustainable to link to redirect to 2023 Dutch general election, because the section header will be changed after the next election (and we will have forgotten about it). Also avoids duplicating content.
- More generally I disagree with redirecting with a hypothetical situation, but in this specific case it is also ambiguous because 2025 could also refer to a hypothetical snap election after 2023 (if the cabinet fell today, that would be the earliest moment). Dajasj (talk) 13:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- The cabinet failing before the next expected election is different to the expected next election unexpectedly not happening. Sources regularly talk about the next expected election, so there will be sources from pre-July 2023 talking about the 2025 elections that people will see and search for information about. Sources since that date don't expect 2025 elections, they talk about 2028 elections in the expected manner. If elections do happen in 2025 then obviously this redirect will be correctly usurped by an article about those elections. That article will mention the circumstances and explain things for those who arrive looking for what became the 2023 election. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to 2023 Dutch general election, the article about the Dutch general election that was originally planned for 2025. -- Tavix (talk) 16:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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- I suppose 2023 Dutch general election would be the most logical target, as that election would have been held in 2025 if the cabinet had not fallen (and some sources written before might refer to an election "planned for 2025"). However, I'm not a big supporter of having such alternative history redirects in the first place; it feels a bit like redirecting Presidential inauguration of Kamala Harris to Second inauguration of Donald Trump. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 10:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Kikurage
[edit]- Kikurage → Auricularia heimuer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kikurage mushroom → Auricularia heimuer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Kikurage mushrooms → Auricularia heimuer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not sure what the path forward here is with these redirects. I recently changed the target of these redirects from Tremella fuciformis to Auricularia heimuer (while creating Kikurage) after finding that most results in English for the term "Kikurage" refer to Auricularia heimuer (specifically its use in Japanese cuisine), which would claim it to essentially be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term due to its common use in English to refer to the Japanese culinary use. However, after reviewing Tremella fuciformis, the term "Kikurage" is mentioned in the article, which is probably why the redirects Kikurage mushroom and Kikurage mushrooms targeted there. At this point, I'm not sure if "keep", "retarget" or "disambiguate" (possibly by retargeting to Wood ear?) is the best course of action here, so I'm bringing this up for discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just from reading the articles it seems that the redirects to Auricularia heimuer are correct. Tremella fuciformis is the shiro kikurage (or white kikurage) in Japanese. I don't think this is just a white form of kikurage, as it is a very different fungi (different taxonomic classes). This seems to me more akin to tiger and Tasmanian tiger where the latter are not closely related to cats. The only question is whether "Kikurage mushrooms" could be used for such different mushrooms that are used quite differently in cooking. — Jts1882 | talk 12:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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MOS:JEW
[edit]A Night
[edit]Since the now blocked sockpuppet TeapotsOfDoom nominated this redirect four days earlier and it was speedily kept per WP:BE, I'm reopening the discussion because I'm not really sure if it has a particular connection to Rihanna. The closest I could find via a Google search was part of the lyrics for "Goodnight Gotham" (which contains a sample of "Only If for a Night" by Florence and the Machine), but other than that, I'm not sure if it warrants a redirect to Rihanna's page, since 1) it's also part of the titles and/or lyrics for countless other songs and 2) it's a partial title match for multiple other articles and/or redirects (so I'm not sure where, if anywhere, is appropriate to retarget this). Delete this unless someone can provide a justification or a suitable alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 05:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Backstory on why this redirect exists in the first place... this redirect was originally created in February 2015 when a snippet of what was then known as "A Night" was included in a Dior advertisement.At the time, the song was unreleased (it wouldn't officially be released until January 2016 on Anti (album)), but "A Night" is the official title that the song was registered under in the ASCAP database, so that's how it was referred until the final title was revealed to be "Goodnight Gotham" upon its official release.If kept, the target should be changed to Anti (album).[32] RachelTensions (talk) 07:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but retarget per nom., Also create A Night (disambiguation), and use a
{{Redirect}}
hatnote at the album article. The DAB page should list the song, the concept "a night" (we cannot count on readers to capitalize correctly, especially since English is inconsistent and does capitalize some temporal things like days of the week), and add templated means in "See also" of looking up other works and such that start with "A Night", or have "a Night" in their title or in a subtitle. Various works will be known to some readers by partial titles or by lines/fragments from them, so this will be helpful for readers looking for "A Night ... something something, I dunno". Have One Night (disambiguation) as a see-also. I'm surprised there aren't other major works and other notable things just named "A Night"; contrast A Day (disambiguation). I suspect there are, actually, including other songs by notable artists. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC) - "A Night" is now mentioned at Anti (album). RachelTensions (talk) 17:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Anti (album) per above. We probably don't need a separate DAB per WP:DABCOMBINE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Male protagonist bingo
[edit]RubRub
[edit]Shen an calhar
[edit]- Shen an calhar → World of Warcraft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
How did this end up redirecting to WoW? Apparently, this somehow got redirected to the wrong franchise. Slight research shows that it's supposed to be from Wheel of Time. That being said, there doesn't seem to be a mention on that on there either. It appears that "The Band of the Red Hand" is a more common name for that in-universe group that the articles do mention. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of The Wheel of Time characters#Mat Cauthon, as that's also what Band of the Red Hand redirects to. Procyon117 (talk) 14:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, upon further inspection, turns out it did originally redirect to the correct franchise, but was changed for an unknown reason. Could probably just be reverted back if you're not opposed to doing so. Procyon117 (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unless someone adds a mention at the proposed target. I don't see how anyone would benefit from this if it isn't mentioned anywhere. CycloneYoris talk! 22:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per CycloneYoris. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: This was redirected to Mat Cauthon per its AfD, which I have just tagged to the talk page. Mat Cauthon before its BLAR had mention of Shen an calhar. Jay 💬 14:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Flag of North Yemen
[edit]- Flag of North Yemen → Flag of Yemen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ill make it an article just like how Flag of South Yemen is an article Abo Yemen✉ 11:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Normally, I'd say retarget to North Yemen (which is incorrectly marked as a dab page, more on that in a moment), which has a picture of the flag. It's short enough to accommodate information about the flag there, and if a spinout is warranted, that can happen without discussion here. However, I notice that the nominator has recently converted it from a dab page to an article (without removing the dab template or adding any sources). I don't know a thing about the history of the region and have no idea if this was reasonable or not. I'd encourage others that might to take a closer look. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you make it an article, I'd say delete. CheeseyHead (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Under which title is the article? Jay 💬 16:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
ハンマーブロス
[edit]PKS 1402-012
[edit]- PKS 1402-012 → Parkes Catalogue of Radio Sources (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This belongs on the target list, but is just one of 8000, and isn't mentioned there. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This was an article which existed for a short time, but was then BLARed by the creator/sole substantive contributor, Galaxybeing. If GB gives the go-ahead, this could probably just be G7ed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- oops, fixed ping for Galaxybeing 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep and tag with {{R with possibilities}}; I added PKS 1402-012 to the bulleted list at Parkes Catalogue of Radio Sources pulling a reference from the redirect page history that I thought was the most general (I didn't parse through those 33 references too thoroughly though). This doesn't quite satisfy WP:SELFRED, but there's enough in the page history to benefit another editor if this object becomes more notable. Should GalaxyBeing request deletion, I trust that decision. ― Synpath 20:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Galaxybeing created the article in June and BLARd it in September as non-notable. Delete considering this as a de facto WP:G7, as the most siginificant contributor who decided that the article should no longer be there. Also, remove the mention of it from the target, since it won't be a bluelink, and should not be a redlink or an unlinked entry, and remove it from {{Virgo (constellation)}} as well. Jay 💬 15:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Ro (antigen)
[edit]Indy HeroClix (heroclix)
[edit]- Indy HeroClix (heroclix) → HeroClix (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Inappropriate DAB formatting by listing it both inside and outside the parentheses. Delete as unhelpful redirect. If kept, please redirect to List of HeroClix supplements#Main series. TNstingray (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Yes, indeed, bring me to the page about a heroclix! Which one? The one that's a heroclix! This is a very implausible disambiguation attempt, and we don't need it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Move the non-insignificant edit history to Indy Clix (which seems to be the real name per Google searches) and retartget to List of HeroClix supplements#Main series as suggested. BOZ (talk) 08:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per above after moving page history or move without redirect to Indy Clix. Jay 💬 12:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Chingisid
[edit]Which articles should these redirects point to? The current situation is inconsistent and confusing.
- Chingisid redirects to Borjigin#Genghisids (section does not exist anymore)
- Chingissid redirects to Borjigin#Genghisids (section does not exist anymore)
- Chinggisid redirects to Borjigin#Genghisids (section does not exist anymore)
- Chinggisids redirects to Borjigin#Genghisids (section does not exist anymore)
- Chingissids does not exist yet.
- Chinggissids does not exist yet.
- Genghisids redirects to Borjigin#Genghisids (section does not exist anymore)
- Genghisid redirects to Descent from Genghis Khan
- Chingizid redirects to Descent from Genghis Khan
- Family tree of Genghis Khan redirects to Descent from Genghis Khan.
- Jochid redirects to Jochi, but Jochids redirects to Descent from Genghis Khan. (Jochid Ulus redirects to Golden Horde, that seems fine).
Personally, I am in favour of redirecting them all to Descent from Genghis Khan, as a Chingis(s)id / Ghenghisid is, strictly speaking, a descendant from Genghis Khan, not an earlier Borjigin, while Genghis Khan himself was obviously not a Chingis(s)id / Ghenghisid, but a Borjigin only. Redirecting to a section always risks link rot anyway, as section titles often change or they are rearranged, while Descent from Genghis Khan as a whole will presumably always be dedicated to this very subject. Thoughts? NLeeuw (talk) 12:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Not sure if I formatted this RfD correctly; I rarely do these. Do I need to tag all redirects in question? NLeeuw (talk) 12:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Section redirects are useful in taking the reader straight to the relevent part of a large article. A link from Genghisids to Borjigin can confuse the reader, since the Borjigin article does mention Genghisids in the lead. Link rot can be reduced by linking to an anchor rather than a section name, e.g. {{anchor|Genghisids}}. An editor is likely to preserve the anchor. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw if you meant to nominate all of them, then no. if you want to nominate multiple redirects at once, you could try this mass xfd tool. then again, it doesn't matter much, since anyone could just do whatever is deemed necessary with them after this is closed (except deleting, that's an admin thing) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- See this version of the Chingisid article. The broadest meaning of the term is "to do with Ghengis Khan", and could mean "descended from Ghengis" but could have various other meanings depending on context. Possibly the solution would be to pick the spelling used in the largest number of articles and make it a disambiguation page pointing to Descent from Genghis Khan, Yassa, Khanate and Golden Horde. Point the other spellings to the disambiguation page. Links can then be cleaned up to point to the page that discusses the intended meaning. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- A disamb page might indeed be the best solution here. What do others think? NLeeuw (talk) 14:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've been intending to create a new article on the Chinggisid dynasty for some time. If others are amenable, I can get started in the next couple of days. The first nine redirects can then target that. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pages that refer to Chinggisid dynasty should link to it directly. But the disambiguation page would also list Descent from Genghis Khan, the Chingisid principle (Yassa golden lineage), Chingisid states (Khanates), Chingisid people (e.g. Golden Horde) and Chingizid (moth). The various forms of Chingisid should redirect to the disambiguation page. A page that included a link to, e.g., Chingizid would be flagged for clarification. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, if the dynasty is the dominant meaning of the term (I don't think it is, may be wrong), the forms of Chingisid would redirect to Chinggisid dynasty, which would have a hatnote {{Otheruses|Chinggisid (disambiguation)}}, and Chinggisid (disambiguation) would list the other meanings. We need a list of all pages that use some variant of the word, with or without a link, showing what they mean by it. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think "Chingisid dynasty" as such makes much sense. There are competing definitions of what a "dynasty" even is; a series of hereditary monarchs who each sat on the throne, excluding all their relatives who didn't? The entire family of that series of hereditary monarchs? The "state" or "empire" governed by them? Etc. See the discussions about Rurikid dynasty and category:Rurik dynasty, where we ended up renaming them to just Rurikids and Category:Rurikids. Similarly, see the recent scholarly work of Raffensperger & Ostrowski 2023, The Ruling Families of Rus, where the whole concept of a dynasty is heavily criticised as an outdated and ambigious concept that erases lots of people from history who didn't sit on the throne, despite wielding significant political or otherwise power and influence for sometimes decades. (Note: they also discuss 'house', 'clan' and 'family', and end up choosing 'family', as can be seen in the title.) If there is to be a new article, separate from the existing ones on Borjigin and Descent from Genghis Khan, I strongly recommend that the title be Chingisids, and to omit a word like 'dynasty'. NLeeuw (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- PS: But really, I think such an article might easily become a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of the existing articles, so let's make sure it would have added value separate from what we've already got, or integrate such contents into our existing articles. My question here is just to make consistent redirects. NLeeuw (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree. The term "Chinggisids" has strong independent notability as distinct from the Borjigin. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I may start an Index of articles related to Ghengis Khan, including redirects. I suspect there is a fair amount of forking. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- PS: But really, I think such an article might easily become a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of the existing articles, so let's make sure it would have added value separate from what we've already got, or integrate such contents into our existing articles. My question here is just to make consistent redirects. NLeeuw (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think "Chingisid dynasty" as such makes much sense. There are competing definitions of what a "dynasty" even is; a series of hereditary monarchs who each sat on the throne, excluding all their relatives who didn't? The entire family of that series of hereditary monarchs? The "state" or "empire" governed by them? Etc. See the discussions about Rurikid dynasty and category:Rurik dynasty, where we ended up renaming them to just Rurikids and Category:Rurikids. Similarly, see the recent scholarly work of Raffensperger & Ostrowski 2023, The Ruling Families of Rus, where the whole concept of a dynasty is heavily criticised as an outdated and ambigious concept that erases lots of people from history who didn't sit on the throne, despite wielding significant political or otherwise power and influence for sometimes decades. (Note: they also discuss 'house', 'clan' and 'family', and end up choosing 'family', as can be seen in the title.) If there is to be a new article, separate from the existing ones on Borjigin and Descent from Genghis Khan, I strongly recommend that the title be Chingisids, and to omit a word like 'dynasty'. NLeeuw (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, if the dynasty is the dominant meaning of the term (I don't think it is, may be wrong), the forms of Chingisid would redirect to Chinggisid dynasty, which would have a hatnote {{Otheruses|Chinggisid (disambiguation)}}, and Chinggisid (disambiguation) would list the other meanings. We need a list of all pages that use some variant of the word, with or without a link, showing what they mean by it. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pages that refer to Chinggisid dynasty should link to it directly. But the disambiguation page would also list Descent from Genghis Khan, the Chingisid principle (Yassa golden lineage), Chingisid states (Khanates), Chingisid people (e.g. Golden Horde) and Chingizid (moth). The various forms of Chingisid should redirect to the disambiguation page. A page that included a link to, e.g., Chingizid would be flagged for clarification. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- The Crimean Giray dynasty was referred to as the "Genghisids". Genghisid/Chinggisid literally means Borjigin dynasty. Descent from Genghis Khan is irrelevant in this context, and I don't even know why this article exists. Should be merged. "Chingisid dynasty" doesn't exist. Only two words should be redirected Chinggisids and Genghisids. Beshogur (talk) 21:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but similarly, lots of people were referred to, or referred to themselves, as "Romans", and yet histiographical convention names a great number of them "Byzantines", for example. We could theoretically always merge everything, but we'll soon end up with articles that are WP:TOOLONG (e.g. List of Roman emperors should imo have been split, because it's way too long to navigate comfortably, and we already had List of Byzantine emperors.) Although I made a plea for not splitting off a new articles named Chingisids above if there was no obvious need, I think we shouldn't underestimate the value of splitting up articles either. NLeeuw (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that Descent from Genghis Khan is a very odd article that should probably be redirected, but Chinggisid is distinct from the wider Borjigin term primarily because it was descent from Genghis, not general membership of the Borjigin, that legitimised rule in the post-Mongol world. See discussion in e.g. May 2017. While the Borjigin altan urugh (golden family) included the descendants of Genghis's brothers and of his children by concubines such as Kolgen, they were not eligible for rulership because they were not Chinggisid. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I think I see a solution. I will expand Chinggisids until it is reasonably complete; Borjigin needs also a little bit of expansion and a lot of rewriting to match current scholarship (many of its sources are half a century old and vastly out of date).Meanwhile, Descent from Genghis Khan should be renamed and refocused onto the matter of genetic descent from Genghis—i.e. the numerous papers that have been released after the "16 million descendants" article from 2003.All redirects seem fairly self-explanatory then, except for Jochid/Jochids which should probably redirect to Golden Horde, and Family tree of Genghis Khan which would probably work best as a redirect to Chinggisids, if I can figure out how the family tree thing works. Thanks for bringing matter up, NLeeuw. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good! Yes, I suppose renaming Descent from Genghis Khan to Genetic descent from Genghis Khan or something works better. Chinggisids can then fully focus on the reigning families of the late Middle Ages descended from Genghis or married into that family. NLeeuw (talk) 16:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- PS: I would recommend doing a search query in reliable sources to check for the WP:COMMONNAME. We better prevent endless disputes about how to spel "Chingisids" (I don't care which, but we need to pick one). NLeeuw (talk) 16:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- The current spelling (Chinggisids) is favoured in most reliable sources that I can see, including all cited so far in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ngrams appears to overwhelmingly agree. I'm a bit surprised; I'm not that familiar with the double g spelling. Halperin 1987, which I use a lot for reference, has single g, single s, and some of his sources are single g, double s, but apparently they are in the minority. Ngrams shows the double g, single s spelling quickly gaining ground from the 1990s onwards. Seems like you've chosen the right title, so I guess that settles it. NLeeuw (talk) 22:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- The current spelling (Chinggisids) is favoured in most reliable sources that I can see, including all cited so far in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- PS: I would recommend doing a search query in reliable sources to check for the WP:COMMONNAME. We better prevent endless disputes about how to spel "Chingisids" (I don't care which, but we need to pick one). NLeeuw (talk) 16:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good! Yes, I suppose renaming Descent from Genghis Khan to Genetic descent from Genghis Khan or something works better. Chinggisids can then fully focus on the reigning families of the late Middle Ages descended from Genghis or married into that family. NLeeuw (talk) 16:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I think I see a solution. I will expand Chinggisids until it is reasonably complete; Borjigin needs also a little bit of expansion and a lot of rewriting to match current scholarship (many of its sources are half a century old and vastly out of date).Meanwhile, Descent from Genghis Khan should be renamed and refocused onto the matter of genetic descent from Genghis—i.e. the numerous papers that have been released after the "16 million descendants" article from 2003.All redirects seem fairly self-explanatory then, except for Jochid/Jochids which should probably redirect to Golden Horde, and Family tree of Genghis Khan which would probably work best as a redirect to Chinggisids, if I can figure out how the family tree thing works. Thanks for bringing matter up, NLeeuw. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Proposal I think we already reached agreement, but let's make it clear.
- Redirect no. #4 has been turned into stand-alone article Chinggisids, which is good. (Thanks to AirshipJungleman29!).
- Redirects no. #1, #2, #3, #7, #8 and #9 should all redirect to Chinggisids.
- If anyone ever created no. #5 or #6, they should redirect to Chinggisids as well.
- Redirects no. #10 and no. #11 can remain unchanged.
- A requested move (RM) for Descent from Genghis Khan could be discussed on Talk:Descent from Genghis Khan if the current title is found to be inadequate. AirshipJungleman29 could initiate such an RM if they please.
- This seems to be the outcome of the discussion above, but we haven't yet formally agreed that we are going to resolve the question this way, so let's make it official. NLeeuw (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support. As above, Chinggisids is the COMMONNAME for the new destination, and it has sufficient independent notability to exist as a distinct article. That resolves most of the confusion with the transliterations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Kentuchy
[edit]凧
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Lu Tianna
[edit]It's unclear why this redirects here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete This site and other, seemingly less reliable, sources indicate that "Lu Tianna" is a Chinese-language name adopted by or used to refer to Gillibrand. There is precedent to keep these sorts of names, as seen in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 31#Foreign language redirects to Kamala Harris. But, unlike Harris's Chinese names, I don't find evidence of widespread use. I am willing to reconsider if evidence that this is indeed commonly used by Chinese speakers to refer to Gillibrand exists. Note that Lu Tian Na, which is used here by the New York Times, exists as well. I am not a Chinese speaker so cannot say if the number of words makes a difference. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if this is treated like a Chinese name, then the variant spellings available from "Lu Tianna" would be "Lu Tian-na", "Lu Tian-Na", "Lu Tian Na" -- and the flipped forms "Tianna Lu", "Tian-na Lu", "Tian Na Lu" -- NYT uses one of the styles you can do with the syllables. In the PRC, the preferred form would have a single "word" to represent a name, so "Lu Tianna" if Lu is the surname and Tianna is the given name. This isn't the preferred style used in Hong Kong or Taiwan though. That is dependent and independent on romanization method, as some people style their names differently from the romanization method's preferred form. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Her Chinese name is known by the Chinese-language world, used by Chinese-language media. I can search a bunch of news article if I search on Google by her Chinese name "陸天娜" [33][34][35]. The name Lu Tianna (陆天娜; 陸天娜) is used by herself, pretty irrelevant to her English name. Lu Tianna, Lu Tian Na, Lu Tian-Na, Lu Tian-na are essentially the same, just with or without space or hyphen. It is just the difference of transliteration, all of them are used to some degree (and actually "Lu Tianna" is the most conventional transliteration). However, the transliteration is not a conventional way to refer to her, not in Chinese media or English media. This makes me doubt but I am still leaning that it is more useful than harmful. Sun8908 Talk 14:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Not mentioned at target. If you have to do this level of OR to justify a redirect, then just don't. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per Pppery. It seems other Chinese language name will preferred from Kirsten. Unfortunately, there is no absolutely match why did transliterated in other romanization name. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 01:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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FC Türkiye II
[edit]- FC Türkiye II → FC Türkiye Wilhelmsburg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This could refer to the B-team of the target club, but it isn't mentioned in that page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - if the other thing this could refer to isn't mentioned on Wikipedia, then the redirect is fine. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please see WP:RSURPRISE. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Per Ivanvector. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Enteractive
[edit]September 31
[edit]- September 31 → List of non-standard dates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of September 31 in the target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can someone unify it with #April 31? Web-julio (talk) 07:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note a redirect with this title was deleted in 2017, but a deletion review discussion overturned G4 speedy deletion as it had a different target (September). Thryduulf (talk) 14:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- So now we have two other proposed targets. Any place this can point is guesswork, and a redlink clearly tells the user that there is no September 31. Still support deletion. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the current target already tells this day doesn't exist, especially cause if it existed it would have its own mainspace article. Anyways, does December 32 imply it exists? Web-julio (talk) 02:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- So now we have two other proposed targets. Any place this can point is guesswork, and a redlink clearly tells the user that there is no September 31. Still support deletion. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget. October 1 would parallel an April 31 → May 1 RfD. But September 30 might be the likely sought-for page for users who simply forgot September's last date. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to September 30 per @Hyphenation Expert. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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- September, which says that it has only 30 days in the first (very short) paragraph, makes more sense than either of the two new proposals, and I'd say to retarget there if there were any internal links. But there aren't, and a redlink is a better result here for all other use cases. Delete. —Cryptic 06:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if September 31 ever gets talked about in Wikipedia, it would be in the current target (list). However, it's not yet. Though both mentions the words separatedly. Web-julio (talk) 01:47, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Pppery. There is no information on why did the editor must added in a leap year for September. IMO, there is only 30 days beneath the month of September but not added in one day. See this: [36] ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 03:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. It's difficult to search for evidence of a legitimate use of September 31 (meaning 31st September, other uses being ambiguous eg September 1931), but I can't find any. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
List of Chalcolithic cultures of China
[edit]- List of Chalcolithic cultures of China → List of Neolithic cultures of China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No such list of Chalcolithic cultures exists at the target. This does not appear to be a subject that is discussed on Wikipedia at this time. Previously existed as a list with one entry.
This title may be able to be salvaged if the list of Neolithic cultures is expanded to include Chalcolithic cultures. However, searching for an article about a "Copper Age list" and being sent to an article about a "Stone Age list" does not seem generally helpful in a vacuum, and would be confusing to readers if there is no indication or hatnote about why they ended up here (that there may not have been enough content to substantiate an individual page for Chalcolithic). Utopes (talk / cont) 00:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. No, there isn't a list at the target, but several of the cultures at the target were able to work copper in their later years, such as the Erligang culture and the Yueshi culture, so it seems reasonable to keep this until such a time that a proper list is split off. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom - no Chalcolithic list exists. The page history needn't be kept. We have the redirect Chalcolithic China pointing to the same target, but probably that should point to Chalcolithic#East Asia. Jay 💬 13:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Karhusaari (island)
[edit]- Karhusaari (island) → Angelniemi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Misleading redirect. There are several islands named Karhusaari in Finland, the island in Angelniemi is not the only one and probably the most notable either. The redirect had two incoming links, neither of which was actually about the island in Angelniemi: one was for an island in Espoo and the other for an island in Kuopio. I removed the wikilinks from both. This redirect should be deleted until we have an actual article about at least some island named Karhusaari. JIP | Talk 12:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I created this redirect when reviewing Karhusaari (disambiguation) because of the line in the article Angelniemi: "Other isles of Angelniemi are Angelansaari, Kokkilansaari, Pikkusaari and Karhusaari". If there are other islands then fine: mention them in the appropriate article and disambiguate at Karhusaari (disambiguation) to where this redirect should point. Otherwise, we actually do "have an actual article about at least some island named Karhusaari". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC) (Not an expert in Finland but once had a lovely trip to Helsinki)
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- There are indeed many, see ceb:Karhusaari. Probably the base name should be a DAB and thus this redirect there. Karhusaari is also an island which has an article here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Crouch, Swale: ... but as you know, a disambiguation page is not a list of things in the world, but an index of articles on English Wikipedia (of which we currently have two). By all means improve the existing Karhusaari (disambiguation), because otherwise it can be deleted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per Shhhnotsoloud, pending mention of other islands on enwiki. Jay 💬 17:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Matsubara dialect
[edit]Nueva Hampshire
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Turkish Turkish
[edit]Putting wedge
[edit]Tata (Persian King)
[edit]- Tata (Persian King) → Tata (king of Awan) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There were no Persians at the time of Tata Викидим (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The Persians haven't been created as separate ethnicity at that time. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect was actually created by Maziargh in 2010 as a redirect to Awan dynasty, then subsequently made into an article by AnnGWik and since moved to the target of the current redirect (none of that is necessarily a reason to keep, though I will also notify those users of this discussion on their talk pages). There is no Tata on List of monarchs of Persia but I don't know enough about the plausibility of someone (incorrectly) believing this Tata to be Persian to say whether this should be deleted or not. A7V2 (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tata is a semi-mythical figure, but the Awan dynasty dates to approximately 2000 B.C.. As far as I know (I am no expert), Persians came to Persis and became "Persians" a millennium later. If I am correct, Awan kings could not have ruled Persian people. Викидим (talk) 06:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was more getting at how likely would it be that someone would search for this person in this way, ie that people would think to search for a Persian king. But given the relative obscurity of this person, that question is probably impossible to answer so ultimately I don't think it makes much difference one way or the other if this is deleted. That said I think adding him to Tata (dab page) would be helpful and I will shortly do so, but perhaps you or someone else would like to revise my wording. A7V2 (talk) 22:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tata is a semi-mythical figure, but the Awan dynasty dates to approximately 2000 B.C.. As far as I know (I am no expert), Persians came to Persis and became "Persians" a millennium later. If I am correct, Awan kings could not have ruled Persian people. Викидим (talk) 06:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as misleading per the abovementioned findings --Lenticel (talk) 01:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note that almost certainly the only way someone would find this redirect is by using it or following a link (which would likely be piped given the use of a disambiguator) so rather than being misleading, it can be helpful to help someone who is mistaken to find what they are looking for (but see my reply above as to whether that is likely to actually happen). A7V2 (talk) 22:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The existence of a redirect is not a "factual offering". The argument for deletion is like saying redirects from typos should be deleted because they imply the typo is correct. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC).
- Delete, the target is simply not a Persian king. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I echo A7V2's thoughts. As a redirect to Awan dynasty, the redirect was getting views from 2010, which stopped in early 2022. The subsequent views were when the article was being written, and this RfD. Ideally we can argue to delete this since we have a factually titled article now. But Tata (king of Awan) doesn't have any redirects to it. What would be a proper redirect title to indicate a king who ruled some thousand years before his kingdom became part of the "Persian region"? What is a more colloquial name better than Persia to refer to the historial Iran region? Jay 💬 19:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- The place is known as Elam or Susiana. Even (Sumerian king) disambiguation would be less factually incorrect. Викидим (talk) 14:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep and tag appropriately as a redirect from a (very plausible) error. A redirect is not an endorsement of accuracy, it is a navigation aide to help those who are looking for something find that thing. If someone doesn't know that a thousand years before Persia that land was known as Awan, this redirect will help them. Fieari (talk) 05:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Harapanahalli railway station
[edit]- Harapanahalli railway station → South Western Railway zone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of "harapanahalli" at the target article, or any other indication about a "Harapanahalli railway station" at the South Western Railway zone article. The only mention of "harapanahalli railway station" anywhere on Wikipedia is at the overarching article for Harapanahalli, but this article has a good number of problems and only contains two references, so it begs the question whether the railway station needs to be mentioned there either. In any case, it seems that there may need to be a change to either the target, or to the content, or to delete entirely if its not necessary to be included anywhere. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Add mention. Railway stations that verifiably exist (and this one does) are always plausible search terms and are always DUE for a mention on the article about the line and in articles about the settlement they serve. Note also this was a BLAR and should not be deleted without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hello I'm the person who created this page the Harapanahalli Railway Station which is functioning currently six trains are operating through this station please help me to publish this article
- Thank you :) Darshan Kavadi (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- comment Each of the three division articles has a list of the stations within the division. These lists appear to be incomplete do I cannot give an appropriate target, but whichever applies would be a good target. Mangoe (talk) 10:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I cleaned up the language at Harapanahalli#Railway Transportation. There are still no sources, so added a {{cn}}. Jay 💬 10:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete by default, unless someone takes the initiative to add a mention themselves. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:18, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Significa liberdade and Pppery: Sure there is no mention at the current target, but there was mention at Harapanahalli, and what I mentioned above was, I had cleaned up the languaging at Railway Transportation section that had mention. Jay 💬 13:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Linjian
[edit]The name, which is that of a town in the Chinese province of Shandong, is being redirected to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China spokesperson with same name. Either it should be deleted or be redirected to the target page I have given.Toadboy123 (talk) 03:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE this is a malformed nomination. There is no RfD header on the redirect. The current target of the redirect is Lin Jian, and not that contained in the opening of this section. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Lin Jian is definitely the wrong target. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with a see also to Lin Jian (林剑) and Linjiang (disambiguation); there is Linjian (临涧镇) in Pingyi County, Shandong, China; there is Linjian (林尘镇) in Zijin, Guangdong, China, listed at List of township-level divisions of Guangdong; Chen Linjian listed at 2020–21 and 2018–19 Chinese Basketball Association seasons; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The first option to think was disambiguate per 65. However, note that the town in Zijin, Guangdong, China, is spelt Linjiang, and another town in Huazhou, Maoming, Guangdong, China (zh:林尘镇) was mistakenly written as Linjian in the list of township-level divisions of Guangdong, but it is actually pronounced Linchen (see also: Huazhou, Guangdong#Towns), which I have corrected, so it is not an entry. Therefore, there are only two valid entries (Linjian as the town in Shandong, and Chen Linjian the basketball player) with zero entries having the actual article, which makes delete the best choice, unless at least one of the article is created. Sun8908 Talk 16:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Toadboy123: You had edited Linjian to remove the redirect, but you did not provide a new target, which is why your edit was reverted. Who is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China spokesperson you mention in the nomination? Jay 💬 10:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- That person is Lin Jian. Toadboy123 (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I misunderstood. In the nomination you mentioned
.. the target page I have given.
Which is that target page? Jay 💬 23:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I misunderstood. In the nomination you mentioned
- That person is Lin Jian. Toadboy123 (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per User:Sun8908. As far as I can tell, the primary topic is the town in Shandong, which we don't have an article for. I don't think this is a plausible enough search term for Linjiang, Linchen, Lin Jian, or Chen Linjian to be worth a disambiguation page. Best to let the search function do its job until an article about the town in Shandong is created. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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サイゴン
[edit]Mongola
[edit] possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Ambigous, could be aiming for Mongols (A and S are next to each other on qwerty keyboard). BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per BugGhost, ambiguous typo with both "Mongols" (typo by adjacent key substitution) and "Mongolia" (typo by omission) both of which are likely forms of typo to occur -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- On second thought, this could also just redirect to Mongolia (disambiguation), where appropriate entries could be found for Mongols (subsidiary dab link) and Mongolia -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Mongolia (disambiguation) per IP. Pageviews are decent and typo is plausible, so I don't see a reason for deletion, and the dab page has relevant links for both of the likely intended targets. Also (and maybe this is just for me?), in the search results for "Mongola" both Mongolia and Mongols are absent from the first page. – Michael Aurel (talk) 08:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as an arbitrary typo, no more deserving a redirect than any other (and not even clear what it's a typo of, as pointed out above). Let Mediawiki search do its job and suggest possible matches. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- The search results in this instance aren't helpful, as they don't contain either Mongolia or Mongols, which are surely what the the majority of people who type this are looking for. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, fair enough. But it does find a couple similar targets, and it does match several actual things/people named "Mongola". Probably better to defer to a search here rather than try to guess what the user intended anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- All I'm really seeing is Metanarsia mongola and Omweso; other results are surely far too minor to be possible intended targets. Some results are just the word "Mongolia" in other European languages. If we retarget we're assuming it's more likely the intended target was Mongolia or Mongols, and if we delete we're assuming it's more likely there was a different intended target (because we're not giving them any options pointing towards Mongolia or Mongols). I take the former view. – Michael Aurel (talk) 05:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, fair enough. But it does find a couple similar targets, and it does match several actual things/people named "Mongola". Probably better to defer to a search here rather than try to guess what the user intended anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- The search results in this instance aren't helpful, as they don't contain either Mongolia or Mongols, which are surely what the the majority of people who type this are looking for. – Michael Aurel (talk) 22:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- WT has an entry on it but it seems to only be for Italian and Spanish so might not be appropriate in English. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per 35.139.154.158. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
History of the United States (2008–2024)
[edit]- History of the United States (2008–2024) → History of the United States (2008–present) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This redirect is the result of a bad page move but I don't think any CSD criteria applies to it. It is the result of an editor writing a new article that states that 2024 ushered a new era into American history. The article has now been moved to Draft space. Liz Read! Talk! 21:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for the reasons Liz gave. Nobody's going to look for an article by that name. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 21:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, given the scope of the redirect is present in the target article, and then some starting 2025. Steel1943 (talk) 01:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - whether this redirect would be useful is just based on WP:CRYSTALBALL BugGhost🦗👻 08:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:CRYSTALBALL doesn't apply here since the date range in the redirect is included in the scope of the target. Steel1943 (talk) 20:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's true that the date range is contained in the target - my point (which I admittedly didn't phrase well) is that whether this range (2008-2024) is a relevant set of bookends is currently impossible to determine. BugGhost🦗👻 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- What I'm trying to say is that's not relevant. I've seen several articles with incoming redirects that include date ranges which the target article includes, but is not entirely exclusive to. For example, see the list of incoming redirects to "List of Netflix original films". Steel1943 (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's true that the date range is contained in the target - my point (which I admittedly didn't phrase well) is that whether this range (2008-2024) is a relevant set of bookends is currently impossible to determine. BugGhost🦗👻 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:CRYSTALBALL doesn't apply here since the date range in the redirect is included in the scope of the target. Steel1943 (talk) 20:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Someone using this search term will find the content they are looking for at the target. We gain nothing by making things harder for them. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Who would be using this as a search term? Is it generally considered that American history ended in 2024? Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep No one is suggesting that
American history ended in 2024
, but 2008-2024 is covered in the target article. Ultimately, this is harmless. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC) - Delete - It is a small issue in that, as noted, it isn't causing any harm, however I agree that nobody is likely to type in that specific string of characters in our search - what will most likely happen in such a case is that somebody will start typing in "History of the United States (2..." and then autocomplete options will present. If you do this now, you'll see both the (2004-present) and the (2004-2024), which in my eyes is confusing, especially if I'm a regular reader who doesn't understand Wikipedia's policy on redirects. What's more, this does fall into crystal ball territory, and is a title that makes implications which readers might take as reinforcement that Wikipedia agrees with a particular viewpoint, something which I think would be more helpful to avoid. Any implications about the period demarcations of American history are best left to our sources. ASUKITE 01:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, and as an implausible search term, very soon to be obsolete, all of which is reinforced by the fact that this only came about because of a bad move. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I find Thryduulf's articulation more convincing. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Vendamonia
[edit]Californian city redirects
[edit]Jamie Boo Birse
[edit]Google Currents (2011–present)
[edit]Kingite
[edit]Ambiguous and not explained at target. (Soft) retarget to wikt:kingite? Cremastra ‹ u — c › 14:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Deleteper WP:SOFTSP. Information about the mineral is certainly encyclopedic. Whether or not it's notable enough for its own article, I can't really say, but it's probably better to just delete this one. As always, a search will automatically include a link to the Wiktionary entry at the top anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)- On second thought, it might be better to dabify this one with entries for the current target, and maybe Phosphate mineral for the other, which has at least a brief mention. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- No opposition to a dab. The term Kingite is regularly used in discussing the original forces that supported the movement during the war but the term hasn't been used int he article. I don't think it needs to be explained as 'Kingite' is obvious when given with the context. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- The current problem is the incoming links from other articles – they (five of them) are all for the mineral. Turning it into a dab page seems the most practical solution for now (without prejudging whether it might one day become the title for an article about the mineral). For the NZ topic, perhaps best to make the link from the dab page to Invasion of the Waikato, which uses the term many times, rather than Māori King movement. Nurg (talk) 22:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- DAB seems sensible, but I disagree with linking the dab page to Invasion of the Waikato. Kingite here is definitionally connected to the Kingitanga. — HTGS (talk) 05:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Fay Spaniel
[edit]- Fay Spaniel → List of Star Fox characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This character has no confirmed last name, and this isn't even the right dog breed. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Google shows me that this name is in widespread use amongst fans, even amongst fans who say that they aren't sure whether she's a Cocker Spaniel or a Poodle. It's not just one corner of fandom, it crosses multiple different social media sites, fan sites, art sites, forums, and so on, and also it crosses over into the furry-sphere which is related but distinct from Star Fox fandom. It's certainly not an official name as far as I can tell, but the extreme widespread nature of this name being assigned to this character, rightly or wrongly, makes it a pretty plausible search. As a navigational aid, this will get a searcher to the right place where we have information on the character being referred to. Fieari (talk) 00:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Not mentioned anywhere. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. To those commenting "Not mentioned at target", the character is at List of Star Fox characters#Other members, although not with the surname in the redirect. Tevildo (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- The full name is of course not mentioned because she doesn't have an official full name. While some characters use their species as the last name like Slippy Toad, it would be pure speculation and headcanon to assume that is her real name. Wikipedia is not for speculation/original research. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Tevildo: The surname is not present because this isn't a real surname. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Lanyard class
[edit]Great Depression in the Middle East
[edit]Asmodel
[edit]GGKEY
[edit]no mention TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment apparently it's Google's internal ID number for a book [37]; as not every book has an ISBN or EAN or UPC, there would be such needed at BGC -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Google Books Key. It's a thing, and should be mentioned in the article. BD2412 T 18:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- But it's not mentioned, so this redirect shouldn't exist. Moreover, just because "it's a thing" doesn't mean the article on Google Books needs to say anything about it. Our article should be a broad overview of the site -- what it does, its history, etc etc. A random technical detail of how it keeps track of ISBN-less books internally would be inappropriate to add. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, all books have a GGKEY at BGC, not just ones without ISBNs, from what I gather. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned at the target, and probably shouldn't be (see above). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per IP. An (incredibly brief) Google search of GGKEY doesn't bring up anything other than guides on how to find a book by ISBN or similar identifiers, so it doesn't really seem to have the notability to warrant a mention at the article. Tessaract2Hi! 20:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per User:BD2412. Notable that this and other disruptive delete request were made by a blocked sock, and then argued and supported by one IP editor, who has done very little for the past 6 months but vote delete in RfDs. -- GreenC 16:10, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per IP. I disagree with Rich Farmbrough entirely - we should have redirects only if they are mentioned at the target, and any exceptions to that rule are traps that it's our duty to defang as we come across them. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Pppery et al. The fact that this redirect was nominated by a sock is irrelevant. Nobody will find this useful if it isn't mentioned anywhere, and we don't want to leave readers asking themselves what this means. CycloneYoris talk! 07:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam
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Ted, Ned and Ed
[edit]Joseph Stalin's death conspiracy Theories
[edit]Cite AV media
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Five Finger Discount (That's So Raven episode)
[edit]Raleway
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So hell
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Arthur J. May
[edit]Hent
[edit]Just one more thing
[edit]Clock/calendar
[edit]xy? while a lot of clocks are also calendars these days, they're not inherently the same thing, and their relation or lack thereof isn't discussed in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete per WP:XY. Calendars aren't clocks. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:XY --Lenticel (talk) 02:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Time#Measurement per WP:XY:
it may be possible, however, for such redirects to point to a location in which both topics are discussed.
-- Tavix (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2024 (UTC)- yeah, but their specific relation also isn't really discussed there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- What‽ It's absolutely discussed there! One example:
In day-to-day life, the clock is consulted for periods less than a day, whereas the calendar is consulted for periods longer than a day.
-- Tavix (talk) 22:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)- if that's in-depth enough in your opinion, then fair enough i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- In-depth has nothing to do with it. The rationale is WP:XY, which is resolved by redirecting to a place both topics are discussed. -- Tavix (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- if that's in-depth enough in your opinion, then fair enough i guess cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- What‽ It's absolutely discussed there! One example:
- yeah, but their specific relation also isn't really discussed there cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Deleteish. I think XY is more important here. My gut tells me that this was intended to refer to clocks that have calendars built in, and that the off chance that someone looks for this (especially unlikely given the slash), they're probably looking for that. There's also a deleted Clock calendar page (as OR, via a prod), which might back that up. There's also Calendar Clock Face, but that's kind of a stretch. And there's stuff like Prague astronomical clock, an actual clock that even has a section devoted to a calendar mechanism that it contains. In all, I just don't think there's a good target here, especially given the odd formatting with the slash. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean by
I think XY is more important here
? WP:XY supports retargeting, not deletion. Also, that Clock calendar was deleted doesn't back anything up. Someone had posted File:Clock calendar.jpg along with their personal explanation of what it means. That abolutely should have been deleted, but it has no bearing on the redirect at hand. -- Tavix (talk) 16:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)- Yeah, I was a little unclear...by "more important", I mean that I think it's a case of XY without a good retargeting option. That's a fair point about the old deleted article given that image upload. But that gut feeling I was talking about is also backed up by a simple web search, which comes up with endless clocks that have calendar functions built in (which is probably most digital ones at this point). Even if both are technically mentioned where you propose, it's a bit of a stretch that it's actually going to be a helpful target. It's hard to imagine that anyone doesn't know what these everyday items are, and even if they don't, it's also unlikely that they're going to search for them together...with a slash in the middle...unless they're looking for something more specific, like some combination device, which isn't mentioned there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- What I'm getting at is: if you're reading the redirect to mean "something that has the functionality of both a clock and a calendar", that's one thing...but your rationale for deletion then is not WP:XY. WP:XY is explicitly for the intersection of two topics. When there is a target that discusses both topics, which we have in this case, WP:XY says to retarget there. While I disagree with them, arguments such as with "Delete per the formatting" or "Delete because BigTechCo makes a notable gadget with this name", etc. don't have that problem -- Tavix (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was a little unclear...by "more important", I mean that I think it's a case of XY without a good retargeting option. That's a fair point about the old deleted article given that image upload. But that gut feeling I was talking about is also backed up by a simple web search, which comes up with endless clocks that have calendar functions built in (which is probably most digital ones at this point). Even if both are technically mentioned where you propose, it's a bit of a stretch that it's actually going to be a helpful target. It's hard to imagine that anyone doesn't know what these everyday items are, and even if they don't, it's also unlikely that they're going to search for them together...with a slash in the middle...unless they're looking for something more specific, like some combination device, which isn't mentioned there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean by
- Delete per WP:XY. Clocks are devices which measure and read out time; calendars are systems of subdividing and numerating an entire year. Some clocks also read out the date but that does not make them calendars. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...and all of that is explained at Time#Measurement. -- Tavix (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Time#Measurement per Tavix. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:HEAVY
[edit]Black Mesa Golem Ape
[edit]The Crumbles (illness)
[edit]Wario 4
[edit]Chimneybot hat
[edit]Zubon
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Zubon
Richard Doty
[edit]Furry Shadaya
[edit]Furry Happy Monsters
[edit]Forkknife
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Forkknife
Fork Knife
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Fork Knife
Henry the Hermit
[edit]Alex Shrub
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 30#Alex Shrub
unmentioned suikoden characters (episode 1: a-h)
[edit]- Alen (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Apple (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Barbarossa Rugner → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Camille (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Clive (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gadget (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gaspar (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Georg Prime → Suikoden V (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Grenseal → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Hix (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Humphrey Mintz → Suikoden Tierkreis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
re-nominating those after this discussion closed as "if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next", but only by a small chunk at a time. same rationale applies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- should note that between then and now, mentions for some characters have been added. from an extremely cursory glance, georg is now mentioned in his target, and... that's it for this list, really. still not entirely sure that would warrant a redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Humphrey Mintz too has mention. Jay 💬 16:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Repeating my votes from the previous RfD: Delete if there is no content worth merging, or restore and AfD for these: Alen, Apple, Barbarossa, Camille, Gadget, Gaspar, and Grenseal. Georg and Humphrey have mention, but no opinion on how good they are. Others are {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 16:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- if it serves as any metric, not a single one of the pre-blar articles from this batch had any reliable sources or info worth keeping out of fandom or tv tropes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Moseley tea service
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Moseley tea service
Kattie
[edit]Musha-gaeshi
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 28#Musha-gaeshi
Foot taboo
[edit]Ellen feiss
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Ellen feiss
Paul Feiss
[edit]Adult contemporary progressive death metal
[edit]FC8671
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 30#FC8671
2.4-dihydroxybenzoic acid
[edit]Sontochin
[edit]SN-7619
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#SN-7619
Template:Use Myanmar English
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 30#Template:Use Myanmar English
Criticism of Donald Trump
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Criticism of Donald Trump
Baby gaetz
[edit]Zhuhui Stadium
[edit]4 (album) by matisse
[edit]L̃
[edit]- @Justlettersandnumbers: couldn't you reopen this? I think this redirect should exist (not necessarily under this target). Web-julio (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- User:Web-julio, Justlettersandnumbers didn't close this discussion, they just deleted the redirect. Reopening the discussion doesn't make sense now that the redirect no longer exists. Liz Read! Talk! 08:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see. I answered answered them in my user page talk. I wanted to tag the closer, not them, it was a mistake. Web-julio (talk) 08:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- User:Web-julio, Justlettersandnumbers didn't close this discussion, they just deleted the redirect. Reopening the discussion doesn't make sense now that the redirect no longer exists. Liz Read! Talk! 08:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Akari Date
[edit]xxps
[edit]Criticism of object-oriented programming
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 2#Criticism of object-oriented programming
Helstinki
[edit]Cricoarytenoid
[edit]James J. Finn
[edit]Criticism of George Bush
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 1#Criticism of George Bush
Fisking
[edit]Black Myth: Waking
[edit]Plannet terror
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 1#Plannet terror
Web interfaces
[edit]Cute number
[edit]Work is an honor
[edit]Northern countries
[edit]Christmas in the United States, for children of the baby boom era
[edit]Here's how Bernie can still win
[edit]Neurospicy
[edit]Jackask
[edit]- Jackask → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- JackAsk → Jacksfilms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No mention of "Jackask" at the target, nor any mention anywhere on Wikipedia outside of one, on John Milhiser, where it is listed as a "television title" that he acted in. For a Youtube series that is intended to be pronounced similarly to Jackass, such a misspelling seems to be the likely ask for searchers of this term. Especially since this Youtube series is not discussed at the target article for Jacksfilms. The singular mention at John Milhiser can very well be a piped link to Jack's general article, forgoing the need to have a potentially misleading redirect as a result. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and tag as {{r without mention}}. People searching for this term are unlikely to be looking for a different topic. It is mentioned on Digital Trends, which is considered a reliable source. ✗plicit 14:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I could not find a way to insert this Q&A show into the target article. But I'm hoping someone else can, so Keep, or tag as {{R without mention}} per XPLICIT. Jay 💬 10:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete both I'd prefer not to rely on wishful hope. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:Keep. May not get a mention, but simply searching jackask on google would pull up with Jacksfilms TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 07:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
September 2017 bridge incident
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 27#September 2017 bridge incident
Unietd States
[edit]Canadaa
[edit]Typo with extra "a" added. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).
- Keep: this redirect is more used than many articles. J947 ‡ edits 23:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Canadas (disambiguation) which contains both "Canadas" and "Canada", and is the error form for both of these (the [S] key is next to the [A] key on QWERTY keyboard) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
If we are talking about plausible typos, then Canada would still be valid since accidentally mashing the "a" button twice is a fairly common mistake on some devices. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)— TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs).
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Has some use. Doesn't seem ambiguous with Canadas (disambiguation) to me; "a" and "s" are pressed by adjacent fingers on the same hand, so it seems unlikely to me that if your aim was to press one then the other that you would end up with two "a"s, unless both fingers are somehow placed over the "a" key. – Michael Aurel (talk) 06:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - possibly phonetic for "Canada, eh?" The page saw 47 total views in the full year prior to the nomination, so it's not particularly well-used, but it's also harmless. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an arbitrary typo, no more deserving of a redirect than any other typo; let Mediawiki suggest possible matches rather than trying to make billions of redirects ourselves. And as pointed out, this one is ambiguous with Canadas. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep maybe they were trying to spell Canadá, Canadà or another variation. Web-julio (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Then wouldn't it target Canada (disambiguation) ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per 13.139 above. Let the search function do its work. Ca talk to me! 23:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per 35.139.154.158 - all of the above arguments feel like grasping at straws, not a seriously plausible term. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, agree with Pppery that the keep arguments feel like straw-grasping. -- asilvering (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect being used more than a significant proportion of articles, grasping at straws? If that's the case 90% of redirects should be deleted as little-used. I do certainly agree that this typo being equally plausible as one for Canadas is grasping at straws, given how the probability of a reader searching for Canada totally dwarfs that for Canadas. J947 ‡ edits 06:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
美利坚合众国
[edit]Crown grant
[edit]Comprehensive strategic partnership
[edit]⚭/equaric unicodes
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Perplexing Pool
[edit]Ernest McGillicuddy
[edit]BO⅂ICE
[edit]Le4and6
[edit]Shak.
[edit]Bill Shakespeare
[edit]A Night
[edit]A Child's Garden of Poetry
[edit]Genoicide
[edit]Benjamin Franklin (swim coach)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 27#Benjamin Franklin (swim coach)
Unmentioned Pikmin 2 caves
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 27#Unmentioned Pikmin 2 caves
A little temporary security
[edit]Cilla Single
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 27#Cilla Single
A Sam
[edit]Fabian's lizard
[edit]Dr A
[edit]Wonderful; A song from Wicked
[edit]Thank Goodness
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Eytp
[edit]Eypt
[edit]Egpyt
[edit]A .R . EGYPT
[edit]DuPage 3
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List of Neverwinter Nights characters
[edit]- List of Neverwinter Nights characters → Neverwinter Nights (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no such "list of characters" at the target article. The only character that is EVER mentioned at the target, is the unnamed "player character", and one mention of a "King of Shadows" in passing. Was created as a result of the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters AfD. Nevertheless, this is not a helpful redirect in its current form. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and restore the content underneath (deleted edits from prior to 2016) so that a proper character list can be created at the target article. 2016 is the bad old days when non-notable stuff was deleted before redirection, even though ATD policy was still the same, we didn't always do it right. Also, naming convention is pretty standard--if you're cleaning up problematic/confusing redirects, this ain't one of them. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Agreeing with Clemens somewhat. While the list itself is very unlikely to ever be revived, it serves as a record and and helps link to the AfD discussion that took place, which also has a list of potential sources.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll reproduce here what I wrote on my talk page: The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters was to delete and redirect, not only to redirect. Undeleting the deleted content would be contrary to the AfD outcome. It would need overturning the AfD closure, which would need to be done at DRV, not here. What's more, I can't even find deleted content to undelete. The deletion log indicates some sort of technical issue in 2016. Sandstein 07:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
KeepI think this should be kept: a) For historical reasons. b) It's just the next best thing we have. There are hits, an people are redirected there, showing what little we have and that we don't have a separate article. c) That's where new content would be added. And there is such content! I can't say if there's enough to establish notability and could change the outcome in a deletion review, but there's more than during the time of the deletion discussion. Examples would be his Kotaku article or this book, p. 20-21. I'd like to add such commentary, but I have too much on my plate already. Daranios (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)- Keep and restore the content under the redirect, as per Jclemens; the contents of the old list are now at User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters so they can be moved back to article space. A short list can be merged into the main article until it can be spun back out again. BOZ (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's not clear to me how this got to my userspace. 2016 was after I'd was no longer an admin. Did I request restoration in the past and then forgot about it, or did someone just do this? Jclemens (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- You may have asked me to do that as I was still an admin at that time. BOZ (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not clear to me how this got to my userspace. 2016 was after I'd was no longer an admin. Did I request restoration in the past and then forgot about it, or did someone just do this? Jclemens (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an old redirect with history, and I honestly believe said history should be restored if possible, even if only to the history of this redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This redirect is not old (2016 from a recent-ish AfD), and does not contain any valuable history. This RfD turnout is quite surprising all within a few minutes tbh. There is still NO characters at the target article, so the redirect is still misleading and this has not been remedied. All the history is in userspace which can be reinstated when it is ready. Does not need a misleading "list" redirect in the meantime. Sources can be copied to the Neverwinter Nights talk page, or grabbed from the AfD directly. We don't do redirects for the "next best thing we have", when we actually have nothing. The only thing that needed to be true for this redirect was to have "characters listed", and Neverwinter Nights does not even manage this in its current state. Articles don't need to exist as a redirect just to indicate where content "should" be added. In fact the opposite is true per WP:REDYES. There is no such content on Wikipedia for this topic at this moment. The only possibility would be to delete List of Neverwinter Nights characters (the replacement created by Sandstein), and move in the material from User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters to the same title, if consensus indicates material should be held here. Utopes (talk / cont) 09:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- 8 years is not old? I understand it's not from the 200x's, but 8 years is still a pretty long time... Fieari (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom., there is no list. The redirect is somewhat misleading and not helpful. Neverwinter Nights is the obvious search term, and if someone did, for some reason, search on this full name they would be better served with this list of results [38] rather than being jumped to a page that has no list. A case of a redirect actually making things worse. Old content is userfied and can be developed, so that consideration is moot. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- delete, if without prejudice to recreating if usable sources are found. list not present. i think misleading readers would do more harm than losing track of an afd thread in a mainspace page's edit history. even then, deletion would most likely link people attempting to recreate it to this discussion, which in turn links to that discussion, so... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Since when do redirects need sources? Jclemens (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- I presume it refers to sources at the target article, to substantiate a mention of multiple characters and allow readers to receive sourced content, when it is specified in the search bar (via this redirect) that the reader SPECIFICALLY wants a "list of characters", one that we don't have anywhere in mainspace, nor any sources for. Redirects do need to be "reliably sourceable", because all material in mainspace must be verifiable, and redirects are material, and redirects are in mainspace. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- We should indeed have a list of characters at the target, but the content is already available even if not in that page currently. No, redirects don't need to be reliably sourced, per WP:RPURPOSE. Jclemens (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RPURPOSE is a guideline; WP:V is policy. Redirects too must be verifiable. Alternate spellings can be verified by WP:COMMONSENSE. What reason-for-maintaining bullet point does this redirect (a redirect indicating a "list of characters") meet on WP:RPURPOSE? Utopes (talk / cont) 07:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, since COMMONSENSE can satisfy V, then, V's not really an issue, is it? Jclemens (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RPURPOSE is a guideline; WP:V is policy. Redirects too must be verifiable. Alternate spellings can be verified by WP:COMMONSENSE. What reason-for-maintaining bullet point does this redirect (a redirect indicating a "list of characters") meet on WP:RPURPOSE? Utopes (talk / cont) 07:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- We should indeed have a list of characters at the target, but the content is already available even if not in that page currently. No, redirects don't need to be reliably sourced, per WP:RPURPOSE. Jclemens (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- i said i'd have no prejudice against recreation if sources could be found cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 10:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't explain why deleting a redirect to a notable work of fiction would be influenced in any way by sourcing--presumably, non-primary sourcing--for a set of elements that meet WP:CSC clause 2. Jclemens (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are secondary sources out there which would allow to include some commentary on characters as a group and individually into the target, but which have not yet been employed. Like [39] or [40]. Or, from a very different angle, an analytical comment on player characters on Dungeons, Dragons, and Digital Denizens, p. 20-21. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have now included a rudimentary listing of characters in the Reception section, with potential for expansion based on said secondary sources, which I hope solves the gravest misgivings of Utopes and cogsan. Based on this I'd argue for the inclusion of the old, userfied page into the history of the redirect, as it could be used as a basis to search for more secondary sources, if someone should desire to do so. Daranios (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are secondary sources out there which would allow to include some commentary on characters as a group and individually into the target, but which have not yet been employed. Like [39] or [40]. Or, from a very different angle, an analytical comment on player characters on Dungeons, Dragons, and Digital Denizens, p. 20-21. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't explain why deleting a redirect to a notable work of fiction would be influenced in any way by sourcing--presumably, non-primary sourcing--for a set of elements that meet WP:CSC clause 2. Jclemens (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- I presume it refers to sources at the target article, to substantiate a mention of multiple characters and allow readers to receive sourced content, when it is specified in the search bar (via this redirect) that the reader SPECIFICALLY wants a "list of characters", one that we don't have anywhere in mainspace, nor any sources for. Redirects do need to be "reliably sourceable", because all material in mainspace must be verifiable, and redirects are material, and redirects are in mainspace. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since when do redirects need sources? Jclemens (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)- i don't think some examples in the reception section would count as enough to warrant a list redirect, so i guess my vote stays for the moment, with equally little prejudice against recreation cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: So what in your view is still lacking for such a redirect to be justified? Number of characters? Description/commentary? Presentation in bulletpoint form or some such? Daranios (talk) 14:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- what i think is missing is a list. "list of knives" probably shouldn't link to an article that only mentions santoku and bread knives, as an example. also as an example, characters of deltarune and that other game doesn't mention every character (where's lemon bread?), but it does have a good handful
- so yeah, "number of characters" is the closest to my answer among the options provided, and if reliable sources only seem to cover three of them in any level of detail, i'd say press the big ol' return to red button cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: Thanks. WP:RETURNTORED starts with "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article". It might, but though it pains me to say, the last AfD dedided that it did not have the potential to be expandied into its own article then. So do you still not like the redirect even though to my knowledge there is no other article which would cover even the four/five characters we have at the target now? Or to look at it from the other direction, what would be the number for characters you would see as the minimum for an embedded list to not want to delete our redirect? Daranios (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- What exactly is the problem here? Red link or redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD by finding sources that allow a new list article to be written, then you can just do that! Retaining this redirect doesn't help. The redirect does not have the old article history, so that argument for keeping it is moot. The old article history is available and userfied, so you have that. You are arguing like this is AfD but the only consideration is whether this is a useful redirect. On that score, it clearly isn't. There are at least nine articles that show up in search if you look for Neverwinter Nights [41]. Now if someone is looking for a list of Neverwinter nights characters, the redirect chooses to send them to one of these pages and ignore the others. The reader is taken to a page that does not list the characters, and does not meet their information requirement. If anyone were actually interested in all of the characters, they are better off seeing all nine articles listed, which will give them a fuller picture, rather than being taken to a page that does not answer their information requirement but pretends to. I just do not see what the benefit is of retaining a redirect that has no history and no utility. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- wouldn't the fact that it was deemed that there weren't enough sources for an article then, and that that's still the case now, be more reason to delete?
- i have some level of hope that it might be possible to create that list someday, i just know that that's not today cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I am not sure if I could disprove the AfD in the form of establishing this as a notable topic, and I don't currently have the time (or rather priority based on many other open to-do ideas) to make sure one way or another. And that is not the issue. (I'd be for restoring the userfied history as I said. But the history I was originally referring to was the link to the deletion discussion in the talk page.) I am pretty sure that I could create an embedded list, and for that it would be useful to know opinions how (big) such a list should look to make sense. Just as one project utilizing secondary sources on this topic which have not been (fully) used yet. On the other hand, the AfD did establish this redirect, so
deleting the redirect would mean overturning the AfD result. But I guess that's within the prerogative of RfD. Looking at the other hits again I am no longer completely sure if it is best to guide the reader to Neverwinter Nights at this point. We do have five characters there currently, and overall commentary, and it fits better to the redirect title. But other hits do have several characters embedded, too. So withdrawing my keep !vote for the time being, but I am still interested in cogsan's answer to my question above. Daranios (talk) 19:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD
does not make sense to me. Rather,- this is on a case-by-case basis, so the best way to put it is
- general franchises: at least most of the major cast being notable, with some wiggle room for a handful of more important/popular yet not very notable ones
- general franchises that are really long: if they're not known for more than one character, just go for articles for the few notable ones. otherwise, same criteria seem to apply
- novels and other such character-heavy franchises (which nn seems to be): there's usually no plan b for if not enough of them are notable for a list, so to quote a wise scorpion, "lol. lmao."
- pokémon: the best way to describe the situation with pokémon and its (human) characters, and how rules related to notability are treated in its context, is doing multiple backflips in a row to distract people from the question while professor elm keeps his entry
- it's a complicated case, but it seems neverwinter nights just plain doesn't have enough notable characters in the first place, "major" or not
- and granted, this is for if such a list exists in the first place, and since the answer to that in this case is "not anymore lol", it's really just a matter of deleting and hoping the case changes sometime before the sun goes boom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- this is on a case-by-case basis, so the best way to put it is
- Also, pinging Mark viking, who had suggested the redirect back at the AfD. Daranios (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I am not sure if I could disprove the AfD in the form of establishing this as a notable topic, and I don't currently have the time (or rather priority based on many other open to-do ideas) to make sure one way or another. And that is not the issue. (I'd be for restoring the userfied history as I said. But the history I was originally referring to was the link to the deletion discussion in the talk page.) I am pretty sure that I could create an embedded list, and for that it would be useful to know opinions how (big) such a list should look to make sense. Just as one project utilizing secondary sources on this topic which have not been (fully) used yet. On the other hand, the AfD did establish this redirect, so
- @Cogsan: Thanks. WP:RETURNTORED starts with "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article". It might, but though it pains me to say, the last AfD dedided that it did not have the potential to be expandied into its own article then. So do you still not like the redirect even though to my knowledge there is no other article which would cover even the four/five characters we have at the target now? Or to look at it from the other direction, what would be the number for characters you would see as the minimum for an embedded list to not want to delete our redirect? Daranios (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cogsan: So what in your view is still lacking for such a redirect to be justified? Number of characters? Description/commentary? Presentation in bulletpoint form or some such? Daranios (talk) 14:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete RfD does not have any authority over article content. We had an AfD, which does have that authority, and declared this should be banished. Now it's time for it to meet its fate. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was the AfD which made this a redirect in the first place. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - it appears no one wants to close this as it can't be relisted, and has 4 keeps and 4 deletes. I !voted so can't close it, but I would point out that the keep !votes were all obtained in the first 24 hours or so of listing, and that all delete !votes (other than the nom.) followed later. Also that a fifth keep was struck after engagement in the discussion. Discussions are not a vote, and a straight vote count may be giving an erroneous impression of this one. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm surprised this is still going on a month later. I still feel we would be best served to have the content moved back and kept, but if consensus is going to go to delete, then the old content is still WP:PRESERVED in the user page that I originally noted above. BOZ (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Solidarity, Ecology, Left Alternative
[edit]Greater Luxembourg
[edit]Handwriting expert
[edit]Dana Fuller
[edit]Heathe N. Craig Joint Theater Hospital
[edit]Ra'ad 1
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#Ra'ad 1
Username policy
[edit]- Username policy → Wikipedia:Username policy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- User name policy → User (computing) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- My question with XNRs to projectspace is always, "Is it plausible that someone would be looking for this internal page while new enough to not know what namespaces are?" Given that for many people creating a username is the first step in contributing to Wikipedia, I find the answer in this case an emphatic yes. Keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "Username policy" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to User (computing)#Username format. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- That section provides a bit of info on operation system restrictions for usernames. A username policy is generally about rules enacted by an organization about usernames (thus is at the discretion of the organization and not solely due to technical limitations). isaacl (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not a Wikipedia specific term as other websites have username policies and there could be other uses that don't involve computers etc where usernames have policies. Also User (computing)#Username format doesn't appear to discuss policies so it probably not a good target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. There is so much material that could be built about controversial username policies for social media and accounts allowed by corporations. There's the unreasonable name length bans for users of various services that appear in the news now and then, about people with long names or short names, not allowed names, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Pppery. That page already has a hatnote pointing to Wikipedia:Username policy. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC) - Retarget to User (computing)#Username format. Seems right to me. Steel1943 (talk) 05:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with Tamzin on this one, the username policy trips up so many new users that I think having an XNR is more helpful than harmful. Legoktm (talk) 04:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note that User name policy that was created in 2006, has targeted User (computing) since 2007. Any outcome would need to be consistent. Jay 💬 18:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I have added User name policy to this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 15:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to User (computing)#Username format and move the article hatnote to the section, with a better explanation of why WP:USERNAME is linked, so that those users who are as of yet unfamiliar with namespaces can find what they are looking for. The current hatnote is insufficiently explanatory, and if I was confused and looking for the wikipedia username policy I doubt I'd understand the current wording. Fieari (talk) 05:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 22:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP's username policy is already displayed prominently when creating a new account, so saying that new users need this so badly as to justify an XNR is nonsense. And the retarget proposal immediately above is equally bad, since it doesn't talk about any sort of policies, just a couple specific examples for Windows only, not the general concept, which is wayyyy more general than even any operating system. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep, per Tamzin. It is an entry-level thing. And as Legoktm says, it could be confusing. But perhaps the search prompt should be something like "Username policy (Wikipedia)", in which case this one should be retargeted as suggested. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 12:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Tamzin et al. I don't feel it has plausible uses outside of Wikipedia space. JayCubby 17:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Gamma Squeeze
[edit]- Gamma Squeeze → Short squeeze#Gamma squeeze (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Gamma squeeze → Short squeeze#Gamma squeeze (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Either delete the redir or fix the content of the redir target article. The Short squeeze article currently has no mention of "gamma" or "gamma squeeze" whatsoever. N2e (talk) 10:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Fixed nomination which was malformed. @N2e: You need to place the nomination template below the html line for it to work properly. I've fixed this now. CycloneYoris talk! 10:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the redirection is a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamma Squeeze so this isn't a BLAR situation. Thryduulf (talk) 07:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also bundle Gamma Squeeze into this. Jay 💬 17:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Bundled with "Gamma Squeeze" as suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
The removal diff at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Short_squeeze&diff=prev&oldid=1075503817 looks difficult to distinguish from vandalism. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)- Cannot say, but I would not put the removed content back as it was unsourced and hard (for me) to understand. The stock market is complex, but that first paragraph was incredibly hard. The sourced content about Gamma squeeze also didn't seem to be related to the source, so ultimately it is the maintainers of the target article who have to decide. As the redirect has history and an AfD that favoured merge, restore and tag for merge. Jay 💬 07:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- RfD doesn't have the authority to do that - it would be overturning an AfD outcome out of process. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- How so? RfD overturns a lot of AfD redirect outcomes. And this particular case is not about overturning, it is helping the AfD outcome by going through the process of merge-and-redirect. When an article is tagged with "merge-to", its status becomes temporary until the merge is complete. Jay 💬 08:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
RfD overturns a lot of AfD redirect outcomes
-> huh? If an AfD closes as redirect then AfD is declaring that the content shouldn't be an article. AfD doesn't have the authority to declare something should exist as a redirect, so it's not overturning that outcome for RfD to say it shouldn't, and therefore delete. It is overturning to, even temporarily, return that content to an article. And the {{merge}} and even {{Afd-merge to}} backlogs are months long so "temporary" is wishful. Our options here are either to revert that edit, do the merge ourselves (which is a bold action that doesn't derive any authority from this discussion), or delete as not mentioned. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- How so? RfD overturns a lot of AfD redirect outcomes. And this particular case is not about overturning, it is helping the AfD outcome by going through the process of merge-and-redirect. When an article is tagged with "merge-to", its status becomes temporary until the merge is complete. Jay 💬 08:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- RfD doesn't have the authority to do that - it would be overturning an AfD outcome out of process. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Cannot say, but I would not put the removed content back as it was unsourced and hard (for me) to understand. The stock market is complex, but that first paragraph was incredibly hard. The sourced content about Gamma squeeze also didn't seem to be related to the source, so ultimately it is the maintainers of the target article who have to decide. As the redirect has history and an AfD that favoured merge, restore and tag for merge. Jay 💬 07:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Stars War
[edit]Radio-Canada
[edit]Cite web
[edit]Göbenä
[edit]Bighead octopus,
[edit]True positive
[edit]Ap (ghost)
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Ap (ghost)
Atlantoöccipital articulations
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Atlantoöccipital articulations
Hebed
[edit]Tucker Turner
[edit]Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam
Ted, Ned and Ed
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Ted, Ned and Ed
Ultrajectine
[edit]Joseph Stalin's death conspiracy Theories
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Joseph Stalin's death conspiracy Theories
Cite AV media
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Cite AV media
Goolge book
[edit]Googlw
[edit]GGKEY
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Winkepedia
[edit]Rising And Setting Of The Sun
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Rising And Setting Of The Sun
Miencraft
[edit]Capitol protest
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Capitol protest
"SD"
[edit]Headwaters Country Jam
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Headwaters Country Jam
2007 offseason
[edit]Nueva Hampshire
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Nueva Hampshire
Turkish Turkish
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Turkish Turkish
Putting wedge
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Putting wedge
Tata (Persian King)
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Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack)
[edit]- Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack) → Khaidi No. 150 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I'm nominating this one separately because of its history—it apparently used to be an article about the movie's soundtrack until a deletion discussion in April 2017 (the participants of which that resulted in it being redirected to the current target. Aside from spikes in 2021 and 2022, it hasn't been getting very many pageviews since then, so I'm not 100% sure we need this lying around, plus I've also created the correctly spelled Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack) (which should help readers find the intended target), so I'd like to hear all your thoughts about this. Also, the participants of the deletion discussion (TheLongTone, Jennica, Bovineboy2008, Serial Number 54129, and Jo-Jo Eumerus) might want to weigh in on the matter, so I'm pinging them in case they have anything they might want to add. Regards, SONIC678 05:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Restore the four revisions that were deleted at AFD (as I do not see a policy-baaed reason that justified their deletion in accordance with the WP:ATD !votes at the debate), merge the page history up to Onel5969's revision into Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack), move the talk page to Talk:Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack), then delete the remaining 2024 revision. ✗plicit 12:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not 100% sure I understand Explicit's proposal above, but whether the history of the former article is being maintained at Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack) or Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack), the target (for both or just the one not deleted) should be refined to Khaidi No. 150#Soundtrack, and I will shortly change this for Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack). A7V2 (talk) 01:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 22:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, mwwv converse∫edits 14:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Make this title red on the merits as an implausible typo (missing "n"). I don't think RfD has the authority to undelete the history deleted at AfD as Explicit suggests (only DRV could do that), and am fine with history merging the 2020 edits to another title. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Pppery. Restoring the deleted revisions may be done by talking to Jo-Jo Eumerus (who was already pinged once in this discussion) or DRV. Jay 💬 12:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Don't think it matters overmuch if the history is restored, despite the one or two sockfarms active there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Nail You Down
[edit]Justin Bieber dead
[edit]W i k i p e d i a
[edit]Zelda: The Wand of Gannon
[edit]Harapanahalli railway station
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Harapanahalli railway station
2001 attacks
[edit]Linjian
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Linjian
ベトナム系オーストラリア人
[edit]サイゴン
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Rihanna Death
[edit]人身売買
[edit]アメリカ合衆国国務省
[edit]Teletubbies characters)
[edit]Nueva York (desambiguación)
[edit]Radiac detector
[edit]Fishers Island, New York (old edit history)
[edit]The Licensing Letter
[edit]Racial violence
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Racial violence
Blind tasting
[edit]Pauletta Brupbakher
[edit]Stephoscope
[edit]Mongola
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Mongola
History of the United States (2008–2024)
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Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)/Archive 1
[edit]- Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)/Archive 1 → Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)/Archive 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- All redirects at Special:PrefixIndex/Talk:Lost_(2004_TV_series) except Talk: Lost (2004 TV series)
Several redirects were created when I tried to move Lost (2004 TV series) to Lost (TV series) after closing an RM discussion, but did not notice that the talk page was move protected, causing me to attempt a manual round robin and probably botching something in the process. I am hoping this, along with all the redirects listed at Special:PrefixIndex/Talk:Lost_(2004_TV_series) can be deleted, as opposed to filling somebody's noticeboard with several dozen CSDs.
If they're kept for some reason, I will go about retargeting them, but from the look of it none of them are actually linked to outside of the other redirects. They should either qualify for WP:G6 or one of the redirect criteria. ASUKITE 01:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like there are incoming links to some. Get them straightened out and I don't see why this can't then be speedied. (Or wait a day and a bot should clean up the 2xredirs...) - UtherSRG (talk) 02:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I can take a look later tonight when I'm back home if the bot hasn't already gotten to them. ASUKITE 16:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all on the merits - these are perfectly reasonable {{R from move}}s and while I wouldn't have complained if they had been suprressredirected originally now that we're here there's no actual reason to delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fix the botched self-redirects. Talk:Lost (2004 TV series)/Archive 1 should redirect to Talk:Lost (TV series)/Archive 1. Jay 💬 19:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:OPENLETTER
[edit]History of the United States (2008–2024)
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Mongola
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 15#Mongola
Waliugi
[edit]Counrty
[edit]Kentuchy
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Reccomend
[edit]Gardern
[edit]Stephoscope
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Monterrey La Raza (current)
[edit]Wikipedia:Relable sources
[edit]Wikipedia:AUTOCONFIMRED
[edit]Pauletta Brupbakher
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Racially motivated violence
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Blind tasting
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FC Türkiye II
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Show Business (TV series)
[edit]Love Me (TV series)
[edit]Wikipedia:Picture turorial
[edit]It's time to d-d-d-d-duel
[edit]- It's time to d-d-d-d-duel → Yu-Gi-Oh! (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
There is no mention of "d-d" at the target article. Per the RCATs, this is apparently a related meme quotation, yet does not appear anywhere as written within the article. People looking for Yu-Gi-Oh! can reach the subject by typing Yugioh. Hyphenating between all the d's, just to reach an undiscussed meme subject, does not seem particularly useful or helpful here. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Demonstrably helpful, give the steady daily usage count on the stats page, just in the past month. Unambiguous target. WP:CHEAP. Don't break people's workflow just for the sake of tidyness. Fieari (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Helpful to whom exactly? Personally, I search for a meme expecting information about a meme. 90% of people familiar with the meme know it's from Yu-Gi-Oh (or seems to be that way from [42], where it is discussed on KnowYourMeme). At the very least, readers expect to read about the thing they searched about. So readers get here thinking "oh so the meme is discussed on this page, great!" One then spends the next 50 thousand bytes searching and searching and nope, zero context, zero benefit. We don't need a redirect for "it's time to d-d-d-d-duel" if all it's going to imply is "this term is synonymous with the entire concept of the Yu-Gi-Oh! general topic article, with no specific section or anchor implied."
- Memes are novel. I'm not surprised that people WANT to learn about it here, yet still not useful as a 1-to-1 redirect as it currently leaves people lost on a page without any information for their meme search term, and no mention of "meme" at Yu-Gi-Oh. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters. This isn't simply a meme-- it's a direct quotation from the original opening sequence for the English dub of this specific anime, with most meme-ification of this quote simply extending the "d-d-d-d-d-d" stuttery part, or otherwise playing around with it and the Yu-Gi-Oh anime's characters in general. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- So, it's a meme then. I'm well aware of the Yu-Gi-Oh sequence in question, and the associated meme and its derivations. It's clearly not a "direct quotation", else this text (hyphens and all) would appear in the episode transcript here: [43]. Regardless, thank you for suggesting a more-related option. But it's still an unmentioned meme. How does this have any bearing on the likelihood of typing a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by "uel"? And all to end up at an article for the series where the meme being sought isn't mentioned, nor any of the meme-spellings? Even in the anime and the video you linked, they stutter like 9 times, so even that aspect isn't accurate within this redirect, and none of It's time to duel, It's time to d-duel, It's time to d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-duel (is nommed), It's time to d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel exist, or It's time to dduel, It's time to ddduel, It's time to dddduel, or It's time to ddddduel for that matter. Past precedent has indicated that random hyphens inserted into words is not useful, obfuscates the terms that are actually spoken, and makes searches impractical. And at least for these precedent discussions, they were for quotes which appeared at the target, iirc (in an unmodified/natural state that is, I think). The quote is officially "it's time to duel". Anything beyond that, makes it a meme/meme version. Someone committing to the 5 ds/4 hyphens combination is deliberately typing in a meme into the search engine, so if maintained, the content should reflect that. Neither the real version nor any of the meme variations are covered at the new suggested target either, and Wikipedia is not a collection of memes. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There's It’s time to du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-duel!, btw. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding this hyphens, Hyphenation Expert; imo you have definitely earned the title of "expert in hyphenation" for this one 😌 lol.
- For that redirect, the title stutters 8 times, which that number happens to have a bit more basis in reality, compared to this one which stutters 4. (Side note, the edit summary for that redirect is... certainly interesting...). I'm hesitant to bundle these though, as the redirect you found here at least sounds a bit closer to what occurs in the Yu-Gi-Oh sequence, with the ~correct amount of 8 or 9 ds, so slightly more plausible. There may be a case for deletion there (no other du-du-dus exist), but I think the smaller scope and just one redirect here is fine for now. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (u — c) 14:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 07:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: As mentioned by Fieari, pageviews in the last (recorded) decade are close to ~2000. This year itself, the pageviews are close to ~500. I used the backlink checker to see if we have a permanent link somewhere, but found only edwardbetts.com/find_link/Wikipedia_community which lists the current RfD. There was a 4-year old reddit discussion asking for the number of Ds, and there was no conclusion, participants counted 7, and 8 and 9, but I agree 4 is easier to type, but so would 3 or 2, but people have been using 4 too. That discussion was in December 2020, although our pageview spike happened in November 2020. Searching for the term with 4 Ds on Google brings up several videos and articles. Ultimately, we don't have a redirect or mention of the non-stuttered phrase It's time to duel. We also don't know if the possible hundreds of readers reaching the redirect, are using the English phrase to reach the article on the series/franchise. Jay 💬 17:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Cowboy Luttrell
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April 31
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Ambiguous "planet 3" redirects
[edit]Her Royal Hotness
[edit]Site-specific Comedy Opera
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[edit]Solidarity, Ecology, Left Alternative
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